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Old 19th September 2013, 22:34   #91
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Tata has taken the wraps off another Super Ace based vehicle - the Super Ace Angkot, at the Indonesia International Motor Show. It looks like a stretched version of the Venture with an extra row of seats and a high roof:

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Eventual replacement for Winger in India?
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Eventual replacement for Winger in India?
In terms of seating capacity, maybe. Otherwise, absolutely not.

The Winger is a monocoque vehicle, albeit an earlier Renault design, which is front-wheel driven with its engine located in a separate engine bay. It was the previous generation Renault Trafic (panel & passenger vans) which was sold in Europe.

In sharp contrast, this vehicle is a crude, unrefined, body-on-frame design which is rear-wheel driven with its engine located under the front seats. It's nothing but an extended wheelbase passenger carrying Super Ace truck.

The two are very different from each other. But yes, they are similar in terms of application. The Super Ace Angkot, because of its ability to cram in about a dozen people, may make sense as a people carrier. The Tata Venture is a miserable flop and deservedly so. No one would want to use it as a personal vehicle, despite Tata sprucing up the looks and providing creature comforts, because it is too crude (high NVH levels) and has pedestrian performance, according to the reviews. By marketing this vehicle as the Venture XLn (where n is the seating capacity), Tata may try to add to its measly sales numbers.

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The Tata Venture is a miserable flop and deservedly so. No one would want to use it as a personal vehicle, despite Tata sprucing up the looks and providing creature comforts, because it is too crude (high NVH levels) and has pedestrian performance, according to the reviews.
Is there any refresh planned for Venture as part of Horizon Next, or since Venture comes under CV division, the Horizon Next initiative is not applicable? Venture should be relaunched with a modified back and a powerful engine,
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Is there any refresh planned for Venture as part of Horizon Next, or since Venture comes under CV division, the Horizon Next initiative is not applicable? Venture should be relaunched with a modified back and a powerful engine,
The Venture surely has potential, since it is the only diesel vehicle in its segment. Tata should hand over the Venture to the passenger vehicles division from the CV division, and ask them to make it more refined and user-friendly.

In terms of performance there is not much they can do, apart from plonking in the CR4 engine from the Indi-ca/go. This should improve drivability by a decent margin. But performance is never going to be shattering as the Venture is unnecessarily heavy, because of its Super Ace truck chassis.

Refinement is what they should aim to improve drastically. Using sophisticated engine mounts to isolate the passengers from the engine's NVH and utilising massive amounts of sound deadening cum heat absorbing material can also make life easier for the passengers, especially the driver and co-driver. The humungous steering wheel from the Vista should be replaced by a smaller one and the pedals should also be repositioned.

To improve safety, ABS should be made standard along with tubeless tyres and if possible, rear discs should be added. Even something as basic as front discs were included only after strong criticism of the braking provided by the drum brakes all around. The ugly rod of the sliding door mechanism present inside the vehicle is also a safety hazard, IMHO. It should be covered by a plastic housing.

Doing all these things can make it a decent choice as a personal vehicle, given the fact that it has creature comforts such as power steering, power windows, remote central locking, rear A/C vents, better seats etc. which are absent in its chief rival, the Eeco. Despite the lack of all these, the Eeco is a better personal vehicle right now, because of its refinement (much better NVH & heat insulation), better safety (presence of a front crumple zone) and car-like performance, thanks to its Esteem-derived engine and a good power-to-weight ratio.
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Venture failed due to lack of marketing around it, IMHO. Lot of people don't even know this product exists.

They should launch it with the CR4 engine from the Indica/go sooner than later backed with a heavy marketing/advertising pitch. It'll definitely be a good alternative to the Eeco, if not to the upcoming AL Stile.
This van/car is really a practical and utility oriented one. Few points I felt a bit as turn off is - the spacing of pedals, it should have been a bit wider than the Ace. I know they have reused the platform, but for a self driven mini-van where they need to attract people looking for something between Innova and a car, they need to be a bit more considerate in bringing more quality.

Overall a very good vehicle but yes, poorly marketed.
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Don't know how good the vehicle really is, since I have never driven/travelled in one.but I agree on one thing.The vehicle is poorly marketed. Many of the folks are not even aware of such a vehicle from Tata. And guess what, some of my friends don't even know that Tata has another van named Winger. I don't know why Tata has this step-motherly treatment to some of its products. On one hand they are spending crores to promote the super-flop nano with so much ads and other marketing stuff. Why can't they spend a fraction of that on these products as well, atleast to make people aware that such a model has been launched?
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Default Indonesia – Tata Super Ace ‘Angkot’ launching this month, gets 300 pre-orders

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Tata Motors Indonesia will be launching the Tata Super Ace Angkot (Angkot is a name given to last mile people carriers in Indonesia) this month. Described as a minibus by the Indonesian media, the Angkot is targeting a few urban and many rural areas in Indonesia.
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These taillights may be the lucky charm!

Source: http://indianautosblog.com/2014/03/t...s-month-125217

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Is the production of the Venture stopped? Or it is only available for commercial purposes now?
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