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Old 31st May 2011, 19:18   #31
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M2DI though shared the engine with the DI bolero,but it made 70 bhp instead of 63 of bolero(dunno how).
You should see these DI engines performing in himalayas,even on full load,they effortlessly climb steep inclines.
Not questioning your integrity but are you sure, any broacher or pic. grab?
I guess the tuning must have been the same.

Completely agreed on Di's being torquey. Does this new Engine in Ex develop healthy torque too?
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Not questioning your integrity but are you sure, any broacher or pic. grab?
I guess the tuning must have been the same.

Completely agreed on Di's being torquey. Does this new Engine in Ex develop healthy torque too?
Integrity is not at stake here sir.
Even i was under the impression that it pumped out 63 horses as it shares the 2523CC MDI turbo with Bolero.
That was until some senior member corrected me at the forum itself,that it pumps out 70 insted of 63.
Even carwale says 71PS~70bhp
Mahindra Scorpio M2DI Specifications - CarWale
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The EX will also be a hit with government departments who were also buying the Bolero and the Scorpio LX.
M&M knows it all and they rarely fail to push any variant through their marketing practices.
The rear A.C. vents will also keep the BABUS in a cool temperament and the 75bhp hardly matters !
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senior member corrected me at the forum itself,that it pumps out 70 insted of 63.Even carwale says 71PS~70bhp
Said the "integrity" part because I believe you but did not want to sound rude. Was trying to search some credible source, can't completely trust Carwale figures but unable to find. Scorpio webside does not have info. on M2Di.

Btw how's the Torque in this new 75bhp engine? Compared to say M2Di.
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This is clearly an attempt to get a pie from the TAXI market which is ruled by TAVERA mostly and then the SUMO VICTA.

I hope they dont stoop down wherein we mind end up seeing a Soft top Scorpio some day

Things which need correction fast.

1)Remove PS
2)Fit normal tyres and not BS
3)Use GENIO's headlights to reduce costs
4)Give 2 engine options, the current one and another can be the one fitted in Storm.
5) Use leaf springs @ rear if possible to reduce costs.
6)Remove Microhybrid
7)Use a simple steering wheel
8)Also provide a Non-AC variant ( Many call centres have NON AC cabs )

With all of above, if they end up saving 1 lac or more on exshowroom, it can entice the TAXI guys.

Getting a BIT OFF Topic!
How about a Chopped down sub 4 mtr BOLERO on the lines on Mini-Xylo?
The possibilities are endless! I cant stop dreaming!

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You should see these DI engines performing in himalayas,even on full load,they effortlessly climb steep inclines.
At city speeds, the M2DiCR engine felt no different to me from the 2.2L. Even the hoardings at the dealership shout out the excellent driveability of this engine in lower gears.

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M2di engines can propel Scorpios and Boleros to 120, but you have to juice the engine for it.
How strained does the engine feel at these speeds?

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benny thanks for the review man. Wonder what M&M was thinking when they put this thing together ? From the specs and the looks of it, clearly a contender for the taxi segment and nothing beyond that. Heck the Xylo has better plastics, fit and finish.

At 7.41 lakhs ex-showroom I would any-day put my money on the LX or even the SLE. Considering the atrocius taxes we pay in Bangalore, it would make sense to go for the higher models than compromise with this.
Riju, the interiors are the exact same as the LX, save for the omission of PW and central locking. Its on the exteriors and the engine that M&M has resorted to money-pinching.

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What suspension setup does it have at the rear? Leafs or coils?
Comes with coil suspension at the rear, as the rest of the lineup. One thing i forgot to check was the wheel dimensions.

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I doubt it,it came only with Bolero SLX Scorpio M2DI and VLX.
when i got the SLE,it was not an option.
Even i never knew it was an optional fitment.

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Now coming to this variant that Mahindra touts to be 'affordable'. I find the logic really insensible when they have changed the engine and cut out all the features (Including the bare basic ones) the price difference should have been significant a mere 40k is just Mahindra filling their pockets!
IMO, the change of engine alone should have helped save on costs. Other factors could have been kept the same as LX.

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Completely agreed on Di's being torquey. Does this new Engine in Ex develop healthy torque too?
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Said the "integrity" part because I believe you but did not want to sound rude. Was trying to search some credible source, can't completely trust Carwale figures but unable to find. Scorpio webside does not have info. on M2Di.

Btw how's the Torque in this new 75bhp engine? Compared to say M2Di.
Strange that there is no official documentation available on the M2Di engine. Even the EX finds no place on the Scorpio website for information.

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The EX will also be a hit with government departments who were also buying the Bolero and the Scorpio LX.
True. Currently, the Bolero is the default option for such segments.

The coming weekend, i plan on testing the highway speeds of this vehicle once again, this time with the help of a GPS device for approximate speed.
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Benny, good review that.

The DI engine is a good long termer. It's robust, and for our usage & the maintenance we do, it can go on for ever.
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Strange that there is no official documentation available on the M2Di engine.
That naming is mis-leading M2DiCR. What's the "CR" doing there ? Trying to confuse people that it's a CR engine ?
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That naming is mis-leading M2DiCR. What's the "CR" doing there ? Trying to confuse people that it's a CR engine ?
Exactly my thoughts too!
So this M2DiCR is the same MDI3200TC from the Bolero and not a CRDI?
If that's the case, then the Scorpio (M2DI) has been around for quite some time with the same engine.

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That naming is mis-leading M2DiCR. What's the "CR" doing there ? Trying to confuse people that it's a CR engine ?
Beats me! Time to direct Spike's attention to this thread.

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Exactly my thoughts too!
So this M2DiCR is the same MDI3200TC from the Bolero?
If that's the case, then the Scorpio (M2DI) has been around for quite some time with the same engine.
The only difference is that the M2Di was not BS4 compliant, but this one is. So, Jeeva, what's next on your radar?

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Off late look like Mahindra is fleecing customer money with its several overpriced offerings. Cases like Mahindra Thar with shoddy quality and now this Scorpio EX. With few more buck people can buy Safari LX or Scorpio LX with far more features than price difference with EX.

Its pity that Mahindra stripped of power windows, central locking in its 7.5 lakh offering. By the given standard it should have been priced 1 lakh less than existing price.
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The only difference is that the M2Di was not BS4 compliant, but this one is. So, Jeeva, what's next on your radar?
Its got to be the Safari or an old shape chain drive Scorpio.

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Its pity that Mahindra stripped of power windows, central locking in its 7.5 lakh offering. By the given standard it should have been priced 1 lakh less than existing price.
While I completely agree with you on the over-pricing part, a 1 lakh reduction on the Scorp EX price tag would mean killing M&M's golden goose-the Bolero!

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Here is an official statement from M&M on the EX :

M&M launches Scorpio Ex

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Mahindra & Mahindra (M&M) on Tuesday announced the launch of Scorpio Ex, a new entry-level offering from the Scorpio stable. Powered by a 75 bhp m2DiCR engine, the Scorpio Ex offers great drivability and refined performance along with an impressive 14 km/l mileage (as per ARAI).
Here, its says 75BHP.
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Benny, let me try and clear some confusion.

Scorpio M2DI BS-III- MDI3200 with Chain Drive
Bolero MDI3200 BS-III with Gear Drive
Scorpio M2DICR BS-IV- MDI3200 Chain Drive engine with Common rail (different) & without Intercooler
Xylo MDI CRDe 2.49L BS-III / IV- Common rail engines with reduced Stroke length.

All engines are different, don't ask me intricate details and whom they are being targeted to.

Spike

PS- I hope everyone is aware of the predecessor of these engines.
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PS- I hope everyone is aware of the predecessor of these engines.
The humble tractor. That's where it all started from.
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PS- I hope everyone is aware of the predecessor of these engines.

The humble tractor. That's where it all started from.
Benny & Spike,

Tractors for sure, that is why whenever my Scorpio passes a M&M Tractor, the engine whistles, the car dips and acknowledges/salutes its predecessor's DNA!!
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