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Old 28th February 2013, 15:26   #271
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Another thing that I noticed recently (after around 5500km on the odo) is that the engine has become a tad harsher with noticeable vibrations in the 2nd and 3rd gear when revved near 1700 RPM. This effect is not present in the higher gears. In addition the turbo kick that used to set in around the same RPM now feels dampened. Mind you, all this is relative to its earlier behavior (upto 5000km on the odo.) and does not seem abnormal in any way; no warning lights on the dash either. I had observed the same effect in my erstwhile Vista too, but it used to disappear with regular use of System D.
Taking cue from this, would I be right in diagnosing the increased harshness and dampened turbo behavior in the Yeti as being due to injector deposits? If the injectors are indeed causing this behavior and since Skoda does not recommend use of any fuel additives is there a quick solution to this without the Yeti having to undergo an injector cleaning at the workshop.
This change in engine vibration looks to be the result of bad fuel quality. It seems that the bunk that you are filling fuel from is mixing some amount of Kerosene in the diesel which has changed the power band and increased vibrations. What basically happens is that the ECU adapts the injection timing and fuel quantity as per the fuel quality over a period of time. When you change the bunk to one with better fuel quality, the engine will recalibrate itself over a period of 2-3 hours of driving and go back to its usual self.
Also, over a period of time, if there are some deposits on the injectors, with better fuel, they will also get dissolved.
Don't use any additives in the fuel / Premium Fuels as it can cause more damage and even in the Owner's manual, it is explicitly mentioned not to use.

Also, on the vibration level, in colder temperature (in winter) the vibration level at startup is high for 4-5 min, after that it subsides to the normal level, which is a normal characteristic of Diesel engines.

Injector cleaning is required normally after 30k Kms (I recently got it done on my Yeti after 38K Kms) with normal fuel quality. In case the fuel quality is very bad, you can get it done earlier.

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This change in engine vibration looks to be the result of bad fuel quality. It seems that the bunk that you are filling fuel from is mixing some amount of Kerosene in the diesel which has changed the power band and increased vibrations. What basically happens is that the ECU adapts the injection timing and fuel quantity as per the fuel quality over a period of time. When you change the bunk to one with better fuel quality, the engine will recalibrate itself over a period of 2-3 hours of driving and go back to its usual self.
Also, over a period of time, if there are some deposits on the injectors, with better fuel, they will also get dissolved.
Don't use any additives in the fuel / Premium Fuels as it can cause more damage and even in the Owner's manual, it is explicitly mentioned not to use.

Also, on the vibration level, in colder temperature (in winter) the vibration level at startup is high for 4-5 min, after that it subsides to the normal level, which is a normal characteristic of Diesel engines.

Injector cleaning is required normally after 30k Kms (I recently got it done on my Yeti after 38K Kms) with normal fuel quality. In case the fuel quality is very bad, you can get it done earlier.

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Behemoth, the noticeable increase in harshness that I mentioned is when the engine is already at its optimum temperature and has been running for a while.
The vibrations have increased too, but increased harshness and the change in the turbo characteristics are most apparent. Perhaps, you are right - I should change my usual fuel bunk for some time and see if there is an improvement. If it does not help then I shall get it checked by the service centre. I hope I am not being too finicky with this whole thing. I have this habit of driving with the windows up and AC/Blower off every now and then just to pay attention to the behavior of the car and I tend to notice small deviations that may be perfectly normal:-)
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Whatever said and done, even if you fill Diesel at some "trusted" bunk, regular lay people like you and me are not going to be able to make out differences in HSD quality.
I would say the fuel is certainly to blame and maybe the injectors need a cleanup. I have done 15k kms and I ve not faced any such issues so far, but I guess towards the middle of this year I shall give it for Fuel Injector cleaning, just to keep enjoying the good feeling of the Yeti.
Unfortunate, but our dear darling country's enforcement on adulteration and related issues is always going to be pathetic. Might as well learn to live with it if one lives here...

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Thanks for the advice Shankar. The left front headlamp of my Yeti is acting up for the past few days - goes off once in a while. It is most likely a loose connector somewhere, but this warrants a service visit soon.

Another thing that I noticed recently (after around 5500km on the odo) is that the engine has become a tad harsher with noticeable vibrations in the 2nd and 3rd gear when revved near 1700 RPM. This effect is not present in the higher gears. In addition the turbo kick that used to set in around the same RPM now feels dampened. Mind you, all this is relative to its earlier behavior (upto 5000km on the odo.) and does not seem abnormal in any way; no warning lights on the dash either. I had observed the same effect in my erstwhile Vista too, but it used to disappear with regular use of System D.
Taking cue from this, would I be right in diagnosing the increased harshness and dampened turbo behavior in the Yeti as being due to injector deposits? If the injectors are indeed causing this behavior and since Skoda does not recommend use of any fuel additives is there a quick solution to this without the Yeti having to undergo an injector cleaning at the workshop.
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Poor LittleBigFoot had its first "prang" this morning.

Loafing about the city post a nice hearty Woodlands breakfast, my Folks, wife and I found ourselves around 1030am in the neighbourhood of SadashivaNagar.

Moving along the road we came to a cross-roads - I may have been doing about 25-30kmph and slowed down almost to a dead halt as we approached the cross-roads.

Just then a halfwit on a Kinetic Honda decided to fling himself at the Yeti from the side road while attempting to cross at some speed, right in front of my nose.

Bang! I smacked the brakes really hard and stopped dead but had banged the bike before coming to a dead halt. The Bike fell down onto its left side with the rider's leg underneath it. I stopped and got out and the rider got up with a lot of apparent difficulty. A thin, slightly built chap who did not look very tough or anything.

I coaxed him to the side and the cross-roads cop helped pull his vehicle to the side. I asked my folks and wife to remain in the car, pocketed my key and walked over to the fallen man who was sitting on the kerbside. The brown shirt cop who was there was an ineffectual fellow who was clearly undecided whether to take my side or the rider's side - he knew very well this was not my fault. Ultimately and typically, being a local bloke, he succumbed to the pressure of the other local blokes and did not take my side. However, to do him credit, he kept his mouth shut.

There was no blood no nothing except that the rider was shell shocked and kept complaining about his left leg and thigh - which was to be expected since he had taken a spill.

Of course, the immediate reaction by the local lumpen auto drivers and various creatures was to surround us and start shouting. I calmly raised my hands and asked them to calm down. Gave the rider a bottle of water from the car and a pain killer (crocin) from my wife's handbag.

By then the rider had got excited and started using bad language, as had some of the locals. Again I raised my hands and said I was not going anywhere and had indeed stopped to see if I could help the rider and requested them all to stop shouting and not to use bad language. Being the type of creatures they are, all of them obviously wanted to extract the maximum from the situation and kept shouting.

Even the rider by then was resorting to some really ham handed drama - literally hamming it up there on the public street, clutching his leg and pretending to fall, acting disoriented and all the rest of it. I was watching quite calmly knowing full well that this was a total put up job and drama intended for the on-lookers.

I then took the rider's card after calming him down, gave him my card and in the meantime had to keep enduring the idiots who had surrounded us. There were some filthy looking local "driver' types also hanging about the fringes.

Turned out that the rider was a medical rep on his way somewhere. He then kept cribbing about how poor he was and that his home had been burgled a month back and that he lost lakhs of rupees worth of gold and all sorts of rubbish.

I told him all that was nothing to do with me but that I was willing to help him get on his feet after the accident. Feeling sorry for him, I gave him some money (Rs 500) nd told him to relax and then go home. He had calmed down considerably at the time but then started blubbing and crying with self pity - so I sat him down again and told him to chill.

The matter was just getting settled but as luck would have it, just then, another nasty looking auto driver landed on the scene and started saying that the rider must have been hurt "inside" and muscle and nerve damage is possible and a whole lot of rot. Clearly trying to take advantage.

This fool rider then got up and tried to jump on his bike and promptly fell over and again started hamming it up by clutching his leg and thigh and groaning and generally creating a drama as if he was mortally wounded or something.

I then called one of my pals who is a Senior Advocate asking him for advice. He asked me to sit tight till the cops arrived. Immediately after that I rang Mr Hemanth, the GM of the Skoda showroom - Vinayak Skoda which was just 2 streets away. He said he was on leave but that someone from the showroom would be with me in a few minutes.

Sure enough, five minutes later, one of the really organized guys from the showroom, Anand, came along to my rescue.

By then a couple more cops had also turned up - both local Sadashiva Nagar Police and one of them, the SI. One had been informed by the local traffic cop and the other (the SI) was called by Anand from Vinayak Skoda stating that I was their customer etc.

The cops calmly assessed the situation, heard my story and loudly and summarily admonished the locals for shouting so much and for using bad language. The appreciated clearly that I had stopped after the prang and waited in all decency and indeed administered water and painkiller etc.

This was a total freak accident which they realised quickly enough. They also saw that I was about to be taken advantage of by the lumpen ones so when the cops took charge, the lumpen element faded away like ice in the sun!

They took the Kinetic rider in an auto to a local nursing home, (Remember, I had given him some Rs 500/?). Well, the doctors there gave him an injection and a prescription for some tablets and painkillers.

The cop brought him back, still clutching his leg and acting as if he was in pain etc. The SI then suggested that to "settle" the matter, I pay the rider something for his bike (which was totally un-damaged by the way), something more to the rider himself and some medicines plus the auto charges to get the fellow home.

So I ended up handing over Rs 1500/- all in all plus the original Rs 500/-.

While it was a freak accident and was NOT my fault, being the owner of the bigger vehicle, I had to pay up to avoid further headaches. Settled out of court as they say.

The rider who had hitherto been acting as if his leg was broken and that he was in deep pain etc, suddenly had a sea change come over him. He lit a cigarette and crossed one leg over the "apparently injured leg" while sitting in the auto. This promptly earned him the ire of the SI who blasted him for a fraud and a common criminal etc etc.

The SI said that there was no basis for any kind of case, he extracted an assurance from that rider that he would shut up and go home and told me bluntly and politely that it would be better to settle up and push off. Fair advice, considering things. The SI himself was a thorough gentleman - no nonsense, completely calm and open minded, no un-necessary pre-conceived notions and he knew full well that some one like me would be easy meat for the lumpen fellows around, so to do him credit, he helped settle the matter very decently.

I may have lost a bit of money but I had a good laugh and felt that there was a certain amount of justice meted out to the potential bad creatures around today. I must have, by way of today's experience, been paying of some old forgotten debt incurred in the past. No worries - just Karma.

I am thankful for the kind help extended to me through Mr. Emmanuel Anand of Vinayak Skoda today. I really appreciate his prompt arrival on the scene and his help in solving the issue.

It was a completely "freak" accident and things could have turned un-necessarily ugly but for his help.

I then assessed the damage to my Yeti. Front bumper quite scratched. The silvery bit in the centre of the front bumper was also deeply scratched. The number plate is badly twisted but there is no structural damage or damage to lights or anything of that sort. I will still lose more by getting these put right, but I m glad to be out of the potentially disastrous and ugly situation that could have developed as typically they do, between these lumpen "have-nots" vs people like us, the so-called "haves".

Once things got settled I visited the Vinayak Showroom, enjoyed some relief by way of a cup of coffee, met the Owner/MD/CEO also and thanked him personally for the help of his company staff.

I really appreciate that on account of the good relationship that we have, that the Vinayak folks came and helped me. I wont forget that in a hurry.
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Poor LittleBigFoot had its first "prang" this morning.

Loafing about the city post a nice hearty Woodlands breakfast, my Folks, wife and I found ourselves around 1030am in the neighbourhood of SadashivaNagar.

Moving along the road we came to a cross-roads - I may have been doing about 25-30kmph and slowed down almost to a dead halt as we approached the cross-roads.

Just then a halfwit on a Kinetic Honda decided to fling himself at the Yeti from the side road while attempting to cross at some speed, right in front of my nose.

Bang! I smacked the brakes really hard and stopped dead but had banged the bike

I really appreciate that on account of the good relationship that we have, that the Vinayak folks came and helped me. I wont forget that in a hurry.
Man that is one tiresome experience. Nobody believes that the smaller vehicle could be at fault. More so if you have an expensive looking car.

I have discovered that it helps to ask for the other fellows driving license and to demand lets go to the thana. The local lumpens do not relish that thought.
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Oh boy! That was a difficult situation to tackle. Shankar I must say, you demonstrated good presence of mind throughout this episode and kept your clam.

I have been to Bangalore few times for work and I do feel two wheelers are driven more disorderly there than what I have seen in Mumbai. This is nothing to be happy about, Mumbai bikers are catching up fast and will be in the same league pretty soon.

A general remark - I believe, if in such a satiation, knowing local language is a big advantage. Non-locals will be taken advantage of. Hindi is not going to do you any good.

Thank god it all ended-up Okay.

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Oh boy! That was a difficult situation to tackle. Shankar I must say, you demonstrated good presence of mind throughout this episode and kept your clam.

I have been to Bangalore few times for work and I do feel two wheelers are driven most disorderly there than what I have seen in Mumbai. This is nothing to be happy about, Mumbai is bikers are catching up fast and will be in the same league pretty soon.

A general remark - I believe, if in such a satiation, knowing local language is a big advantage. Non-locals will be taken advantage of. Hindi is not going to do you any good.

Thank god it all ended-up Okay.
I speak the local lingo but not fluently enough to deal with these sorts of critturs. I would never speak Hindi in such a situation in South India. That would be asking for it.

I stuck to English and was polite but firm.

I have been in this state for Ten Years and as an honest, tax paying, property and asset owner and club member in good standing in this city/ state, I am not going to take any nonsense about my having actually been born elsewhere. I see absolutely no reason to bow down when I haven't done wrong.

That sort of parochial behaviour is exactly what I detest.

The good thing was that the showroom guys were really helpful and the cops saw immediately that I am held in some basic level of respect by the Vinayak guys and have a good relationship with them all. They also saw it was clearly not my fault, so I guess all this helped.

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I have been in this state for Ten Years and as an honest, tax paying, property and asset owner and club member in good standing in this city/ state, I am not going to take any nonsense about my having actually been born elsewhere. I see absolutely no reason to bow down when I haven't done wrong.
Sad to hear what Shankar. INR 1500.00 plus the damages to the Little Big Foot, all for no fault of yours is just not right. I m not even calculating the mental tension all this would have caused.

But then, in India, this is the price we pay for being what you are. An honest, educated tax paying gentleman. Phew..
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Sad to hear what Shankar. INR 1500.00 plus the damages to the Little Big Foot, all for no fault of yours is just not right. I m not even calculating the mental tension all this would have caused.

But then, in India, this is the price we pay for being what you are. An honest, educated tax paying gentleman. Phew..
Tough stuff brother but no worries.
Have asked the Vinayak Service chappies to have the Yeti picked up this coming week or the next week and set right.
I have some travel coming up so wont miss the car while Im gone.
Keep playing and keep paying I guess...
As long as our country has such a large population squeezing themselves into every nook and cranny, this is how it is going to be I guess.
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Tough stuff brother but no worries.
Have asked the Vinayak Service chappies to have the Yeti picked up this coming week or the next week and set right.
I have some travel coming up so wont miss the car while Im gone.
Keep playing and keep paying I guess...
As long as our country has such a large population squeezing themselves into every nook and cranny, this is how it is going to be I guess.
Close shave Shankar! But, you did exceptionally well under the circumstances.
The Yeti can be fixed, money can be earned back, but the scars of such encounters never go away.
On a side note - can people who have been through such situations put together a list of things to do and to not do for the benefit of others? Maybe someone on team-bhp from the legal fraternity can chip in with the legal reasoning on the dos and don'ts.
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That's the mindset of the crowd these days, fleece whosever has the bigger vehicle. Touchwood, u came out without any major issues otherwise there are known incidents where things turn ugly...hope nothing major to the little bigfoot.

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Yes absolutely.

But this is the price one pays for being an educated, tax paying, honest, working class bloke in this India, country of countries!

Our class of people are always the worst affected - sandwiched between the creepologists like politicos and other devils on top of us and the scum of the earth like these lumpen fellows, beneath us.

Whichever way we turn, we cannot win.
Pay and play I guess...

Either one accepts this and lives with it OR one quietly emigrates, fold away your tents and buzz off into the sunset!


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Man that is one tiresome experience. Nobody believes that the smaller vehicle could be at fault. More so if you have an expensive looking car.
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Oh boy! That was a difficult situation to tackle. Shankar I must say, you demonstrated good presence of mind throughout this episode and kept your clam.

I have been to Bangalore few times for work and I do feel two wheelers are driven more disorderly there than what I have seen in Mumbai. This is nothing d-up Okay.
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Hi Shankar,

I follow your thread & posts regularly from day 1.
As I kept reading this episode I could visualize the kind of chaotic & noisy scene.

Exactly the same situation as almost all of us. It is always a pre conceived notion that the one having a car is always at a fault. & particularly when the car is expensive these street rags improvise on their overacting to milk money.

I wonder how the passers by drivers/locals & others start showing their anger as if they hate you from past many years just because you have money and it is their time now...

Thanks to the Skoda guys & cops who handled situation.

Above all hats off to the way you kept cool & calm & hadled the situation with so much of patience & humanity for that guy.

I extracted some good learning from this episode as well.
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Sad to hear about the incident - especially the part involving the self-appointed 'locals'. Its ironic that those who were born and have lived in a city contributing to its growth are always considered outsiders.

I had a similar incident in Bangalore in the week before yours - thankfully the scene didnt get ugly, the chap was happy to be taken to hospital to be treated and his only "demand" was a 10-day medical certificate for 'bed rest' even though the doc said he could go to work the next day. I had feared the worst, especially since my vehicle had an out-of-state registration number - but we did our part and paid for his first aid, and dropped him and his bike home.

Thankfully the only major damage to the Yeti was a smashed tail-lamp where the handle of the bike had hit it, and a tiny surface dent on the tailgate next to it. TAFE Access took care of the former in 15 mins the next day, while a small sticker should take care of the former since the paint is undamaged.

Not everyone is bad - I may have been born in the neighbourhood, but I am an outsider for all practical purposes as I do not live there.

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Hi All,

Any yeti owners who have upgraded their headlight bulbs, please advise. I find the stock bulbs inadequate and need to switch on the front fog lamps in many situations, though I understand that it creates inconvenience to the traffic on the other side. Please advise which is better between Osram Night breakers and Philips Extreme Vision on a Yeti. I also hope this switch is within the acceptable limits for Skoda.

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