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Old 9th February 2012, 23:01   #1
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Here's the tale of how the CAAAR made it into my home !!

My search for the new car and the selection process



My hunt for a new car started in mid 2011 – I have been driving a faithful Santro for the last 5+ years but with the car showing signs of age and the need for a larger more comfortable car, the search for the next addition to our family started.
When I started, the budget was ~6-7 lacs and I was looking for entry level petrol sedans. Primary requirements were an efficient engine, decent space, quality of interiors and finish, and finally some “fun” factor to drive. I generally do not race on my cars and prefer to drive sedately, so the car need not be a total “drivers car”. Was going to be primarily self driven with ~30 kms in cities daily and so fuel efficiency was a factor to consider. The options were the Swift Dzire, Etios and Tata Manza. Here’re my take on these cars:

Maruti Suzuki Dzire – Overall good value for money, decent driving comfort and experience, features for the price offered. Liked the features offered in the Vxi and for ~6.75lacs OTR, was a decent buy.

Toyota Etios – Had mixed opinions about the car before I test drove, and only one opinion after the test drive – just not worth it notwithstanding the Toyota badge and the efficient engine. NVH was extremely poor – my Santro had better noise insulation, quality of plastics and interiors were way below what you would expect in a 7 lac car. Only top model had music system, no centre armrest even in top variant and several other misses meant I gave this car a skip by all means !

Tata Manza – classic case of dealerships turning away eager customers. Walked into a Tata showroom on a Sunday morning in Bangalore and was told the TD car was under service and unavailable for next week !!! Request for brochure and price list resulted in salesmen running all over the showroom who finally managed to trace it after ~10 minutes !!! Was informed they would call me in a few days for the TD, which never happened.

Also saw the Fiat Linea parked in the same showroom; the car looked amazing and is clearly one of the best lookers… But the fact that you would depend on Tata for A.S.S was something to consider. Also fuel efficiency and ground clearance was an issue and given the pricing, was out of contention.

So the decision was in favor of Dzire and was getting ready to book it when Ford announced the launch of Fiesta Classic at great prices – Test drove the Classic and the features were more or less the same as the outgoing Fiesta. Was ~50k more expensive than Dzire but did not mind it given that this is a proper Sedan and not a hatch with a boot… Loved the driving experience and is truly a driver’s car…. The decision was moving quickly in favor of the Fiesta Classic…

Also test drove the Honda City and Chevy Aveo just for the sake of it – City met expectations and is a very good car for a OTR of ~9L, was way beyond my budget. Did not consider Aveo or Suzuki SX4 as these were outdated models and the VW Vento was also beyond budget.

As if to delay the process, I started reading about the impending launch of the Nissan Sunny in mid Sep 2011. Having waited all this while (it was end of Aug now), I did not mind waiting another month given that the car will be staying with us for a few years atleast… Preliminary reports on the internet meant that the Sunny ticked all the boxes when it came to meeting the criteria. I had stayed in the Middle East earlier and was quite familiar with the value proposition of the Sunny and hence was a contender. Was a bit more expensive than the others considered but then, scored much higher on features and hence decided to stretch budget to ~8L.
Come Sep and I checked the Sunny out – the car offered oodles of space in the front, rear and the boot. Nissan was offering Airbags, ABS and EBD as standard across variants, which was nice to see. Interiors and finish was overall very good as were the features offered at the price point. For ~8L OTR, you have a proper sedan with lots of space, dual airbags, ABS, EBD, music system, rear AC vents, electrically adjustable mirrors etc etc and importantly, quality interiors…. I am quite fussy about the quality and finish of the interiors including plastics, seats, dash etc and is a deal breaker.… TD the petrol and was overall satisfied, despite not being as much fun as the Fiesta to drive … Everything looked good and looked like Sunny was going to be my new car. Decided to go for the Bronze Grey

The booking process: Booking 1 – a nightmarish experience, and the re-search for a car
Went ahead and booked the car with Sherif Nissan but had a miserable experience with them – they defaulted thrice when it came to delivery despite making payment and had to call the deal off… They were just not professional and I did not want a long term association with such a group. A detailed review of Sherif Nissan is posted at [COLOR=blue]http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian-car-dealerships/73790-nissan-showroom-velachery.html[/COLOR] (Nissan showroom in Velachery!)
So, I was back at the drawing board – after a bad experience with a Nissan Dealer, I was skeptical about approaching another dealer. By now, a few things had changed. There were more reports of petrol price hike in end of 2011 and so seriously started considering diesel cars. Did some math and with ~1000 kms of monthly usage primarily in the city, looked like Diesel was a better option despite additional upfront cost of ~1L. On the cars front, the following happened:
- Launch of the Skoda Rapid
- Launch of Sunny Diesel
- Price cuts in the Vento and Linea

TD the Linea and found the car too heavy and the ground clearance of ~160mm on the diesel was too low for comfort given the condition of Indian roads. Trendline on the Vento and base / mid versions of the Rapid were too basic and so went back to the Sunny. The fact that it had the frugal Renault 1.5litre diesel engine was a major plus – I frequently take the Logan cabs to Bangalore Airport and am amazed at the engine performance despite these cabs being abused by drivers and having run over 2lac kilometers on an average.

Booking -2, a pleasant experience

Decided to give Nissan another chance and approached Jain Jubilant Nissan at Egmore, Chennai and initial impressions were very good. Were a lot more professional than Sherif and offered TD on the diesel. Went to the showroom and the good experience continued – staff were very courteous, specific mention of the sales consultant Jai Ganesh and his manager Balaji who handled my account. TD the car and liked it instantaneously – while the petrol engine did not feel very powerful, the diesel overcame this issue easily. NVH levels were quite refined and the engine settled down very nicely. Absolutely no turbo lag and good low end torque. Test drove during the peak hour traffic and found it extremely easy to handle. Made up my mind that the CAAAAAAAR was going to be my car… It was end of Dec 2011 and was promised delivery in mid Jan, which worked for me…. Paid the advance and eagerly awaited delivery.

Got a call in 1st week of Jan that the car has been shipped from the factory and I can expect delivery around the 20th. Excitement levels went up and started inquiring about an auspicious date for delivery. Took printouts of the Team BHP delivery inspection checklists and fixed the delivery for 20 Jan 2012. Was promised that the car would be registered on the 19th and the accessories would be fitted on the 20th before delivery.

D Day – the much awaited delivery

Called the dealer on the 20th morning and was informed that everything is on course, the number plate would be received in the afternoon after which I could take delivery. I reached the showroom around 230 PM and was informed that the delivery team has taken the car out for a pre-delivery test drive and to fill in the customary 5 litres of diesel. Was shown the papers but I stated that I would sign them after the inspection. I wanted the “formal delivery” to happen post 430 PM given that was an auspicious time of the day. The car returned by 245 PM to the showroom and I had plenty of time to inspect and check.

Extensively used the Team BHP checklist and did not find anything amiss – Odo read ~55 kilometres and the interiors were clean. No dents / scratches / anything abnormal were found and the papers were good to be signed. Jai Ganesh sat down with me to explain the papers, the features of the car and any queries I had. Once I signed the papers, I got the customary box of chocolates and completed the puja at the showroom. After thanking everyone, I left the showroom to drive home…

Driving the diesel through evening traffic was a breeze – was nice to see other drivers acknowledge the new car by giving long glances and passing comments that this is the “CAAAR”. Reached my hotel in Chennai in no time and parked the car. I was getting excited about the drive to Bangalore the next morning, which would let me test the car fully.

Did not add any accessories to the car apart from the rear parking sensor – did not feel the need for anything else as the CAAAR had everything else !!!)
Drove from Chennai – Bangalore on the 21st of January – completed the distance in ~5.5 hours. I did not want to push the car to its limits given the requirements of the initial run-in period. Here’s my take of the car after ~500 kilometers of running

Will post snaps in the next day or two....

To summarize,

What I like
  • Looks and finish –the car may not be a head turner to many but it is pleasing to the eyes. The exterior finish and paint job is extremely good. Doors feel reasonably sturdy and whilst there is no “thud” like the European cars, it does feel well built
  • Space, space and more space… At the front and the rear….. No issues with legs / knees hitting either the dashboard or the front seat… Rear seat can comfortably accommodate 3 well built adults.
  • Responsive engine offering linear power delivery – as it is the same engine used in the Logan, I was quite sure of what to expect. The engine has been tuned to offer more power compared to what is offered on the Micra / Logan and found it more than sufficient for reasonably sedate driving. The car easily did 100-110 kmph without much effort on the highway and I could easily overtake vehicles without significant gear downshift.
  • Automatic Climate control is very efficient and cools down the car very quickly. Not noisy at all, say, compared to the AC on the Fiesta Classic
  • Quality of interiors is definitely good amongst its peers – whilst many might find the grey dash to be boring, I quite like it and find it classy !
  • Decent quality OEM music system with steering mounted controls makes it easy to use – would have been better if there was USB compatibility too
  • Rear passengers (mom and wife) found the rear AC vents to be quite useful – at blower position 1, it does offer wafts of cool air at the back. Having said this, this could be better tested at hotter places as in Bangalore you really don’t need it
  • Fuel efficiency – despite being a brand new car, the fuel efficiency on the Chennai – Bangalore drive with the AC continuously on is a very good 21.7 kmpl !!!
What can be improved
  • Gear box – Definitely not as bad as made out to be in various posts but can be improved, especially the shift from Gears 1 to 2 / 2 to 1 and the reverse.
  • Noise levels specifically tyre noise. Read in some forums that this is due to the nature / make of tyres – not very sure. Will be helpful if someone can throw light on this
  • Brakes take some time to react – for the first second after using the brake, there is no reaction from the brakes.
  • Boot lid feels light and flimsy – definitely an area of improvement
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Thread moved from the Assembly Line to the Initial Ownership section. Thanks for sharing, look forward to pics
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Congrats. Incidentally I had been to a TATA showroom to take a look at Vista and Punto and my experience was similar to that of yours. In my case, no one attended me for about 10 minutes and eventually I walked out. Had there been lot of crowd, I can understand but there was hardly anybody. Seems there is only one person allotted to handle punto/vista customers and he was busy talking on the phone. Rest of the sales person though were free did not want to even initiate a conversation with me. Well if they are not interested in selling what can we do.

I am in similar position as that of yours and will be buying something in the next 2 months. I say something because I am interested right from Beat till XUV 5oo. My budget is between 6 to 11 Ex showroom. It has to be a diesel though.

That said, Verito and Sunny are high in my list. I have not TD anything yet, will be doing so in the coming weeks.

Please do post pics of your car, especially the interiors. I think you went for the mid variant. If I buy the sunny, it would definitely be the mid-trim as that seems to be the best VFM.

Congrats once again. Will keep watching this thread for updates from time to time.
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Congratulations on the CAAR! The car has acres of space and overall its a great choice you made. Wish you a happy and niggle free ownership. Kindly post some interior pictures as well.
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Congratulations, aroonanand! Hope you have wonderful drive with your new caaar!

A few queries:

You mentioned test drives in Bangalore, but you seemed to have headed to Chennai for purchasing the car; why so?

What was the OTR price for the diesel, and which version is it? What's the price difference with petrol version?

From your description, the diesel Sunny is a better car to drive than the petrol version; is that so? Is the diesel more peppy?

Look forward to your responses. All the best once again with the new car.
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Congrats Aroonanand!!! I too TD the Sunny and liked everything except the rear shoulder room for the passengers. The leg room though is just amazing. And at 8.8x lacs OTR, a VFM car.

Looking forward to some pics mate and happy and safe motoring.
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Congrats, AroonAnand, on the Sunny Diesel. Thanks for giving a Chennaite (me) which is the better Nissan Dealer: Jubilant or Sherif. In fact only after reading this thread did I come to know of Jain Jubilant Nissan. I saw an advt in the paper regarding this Dealerships inauguration but have totally forgotten about it.

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congrats aroonanand for the CAAAR! First ownership review of the sunny in team-bhp i guess. This car really has space and acres of it. I think the rear vents are just blowers, correct me if i am wrong. Looking forward to pics of your caaar.
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Congratulations, Nissan has the same Jap DNA as Toyota and Honda, so i am sure it will be trouble free and painless to own.

Ownership thread is incomplete if there are no pictures of the car, would appreciate if you could upload some pictures, especially the internals giving the readers a sense of space the CAAAR provides.
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Congrats. Incidentally I had been to a TATA showroom to take a look at Vista and Punto and my experience was similar to that of yours. In my case, no one attended me for about 10 minutes and eventually I walked out. Had there been lot of crowd, I can understand but there was hardly anybody. Seems there is only one person allotted to handle punto/vista customers and he was busy talking on the phone. Rest of the sales person though were free did not want to even initiate a conversation with me. Well if they are not interested in selling what can we do.

I am in similar position as that of yours and will be buying something in the next 2 months. I say something because I am interested right from Beat till XUV 5oo. My budget is between 6 to 11 Ex showroom. It has to be a diesel though.

That said, Verito and Sunny are high in my list. I have not TD anything yet, will be doing so in the coming weeks.

Please do post pics of your car, especially the interiors. I think you went for the mid variant. If I buy the sunny, it would definitely be the mid-trim as that seems to be the best VFM.

Congrats once again. Will keep watching this thread for updates from time to time.
drvhplyevraftr,
Thanks ! Looks like Tata dealership experiences are the same almost everywhere... Incidentally, I got a call 2 days back from them asking if I wanted to TD the Manza !!!! Yes, I went for the mid trim (XL) as the top end (XV) costed about a lakh more and the real additions were alloy wheels and intelligent (button) start stop plus some minor cosmetic chrome additions and fog lamps. The XL more than satisfies my need and am happy. On your shortlist between Verito and Sunny and given you have a 11L budget, I would definitely say Sunny as it offers a lot more compared to Verito... And Verito, in any case, has the cab tag attached to it which I am told reflects in the service levels at Mahindra where every owner is assumed to be a cabbie...


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Congratulations on the CAAR! The car has acres of space and overall its a great choice you made. Wish you a happy and niggle free ownership. Kindly post some interior pictures as well.
Yash, thanks mate.... Attaching some snaps of the exterior - interior snaps will follow tomorrow...

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Congratulations, aroonanand! Hope you have wonderful drive with your new caaar!

A few queries:

You mentioned test drives in Bangalore, but you seemed to have headed to Chennai for purchasing the car; why so?

What was the OTR price for the diesel, and which version is it? What's the price difference with petrol version?

From your description, the diesel Sunny is a better car to drive than the petrol version; is that so? Is the diesel more peppy?

Look forward to your responses. All the best once again with the new car.
Jammy70,
Yes I bought the car at Chennai.. Whilst I am based at Bangalore, I spend half the time in Chennai for official trips and have a good chance of moving there soon, so the purchase in Chennai.... I went for the XL Variant and the OTR price was INR 9.16L. Same version petrol costed 7.95L pre price hike in Jan, so now it must be ~ 8.1lacs I guess...
Yes, the diesel is definitely peppier and offers more compared to petrol though both are 1.5L engines...

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Congrats Aroonanand!!! I too TD the Sunny and liked everything except the rear shoulder room for the passengers. The leg room though is just amazing. And at 8.8x lacs OTR, a VFM car.

Looking forward to some pics mate and happy and safe motoring.
Thanks Klever, yes, it seriously is a great VFM car at the price point at which it is offered... Yes, rear shoulder room could be an issue for tall passengers but none of the rear passengers at home are more than 5'7" so I did not find it an issue...

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Congrats, AroonAnand, on the Sunny Diesel. Thanks for giving a Chennaite (me) which is the better Nissan Dealer: Jubilant or Sherif. In fact only after reading this thread did I come to know of Jain Jubilant Nissan. I saw an advt in the paper regarding this Dealerships inauguration but have totally forgotten about it.
Thanks mate... Would definitely recommend Jain Jubilant based on my experience.. You will see a lot more people here than Sherif at any given point of time and guess that speaks for the service they provide.

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congrats aroonanand for the CAAAR! First ownership review of the sunny in team-bhp i guess. This car really has space and acres of it. I think the rear vents are just blowers, correct me if i am wrong. Looking forward to pics of your caaar.
Thanks Shreyas, yes, the space quotient on the car is amazing and the rear vents are just blowers and do not have an AC compressor.. They suck cool air from the front and circulate it to the rear passengers.. So far, found it reasonably effective...

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Congratulations, Nissan has the same Jap DNA as Toyota and Honda, so i am sure it will be trouble free and painless to own.

Ownership thread is incomplete if there are no pictures of the car, would appreciate if you could upload some pictures, especially the internals giving the readers a sense of space the CAAAR provides.
Thanks Mayank, am attaching some exterior pictures with interior snaps to follow tomorrow.... Blame it on my busy official schedule that I have not been able to take many pics...
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As promised, here are some snaps of the exterior, clicked at the time of delivery and the drive to Bangalore.. Will post exterior snaps tomorrow....
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Hearty Congratulations on your new Caar !
If I'm not mistaken, this is the first ownership review of Sunny on TBHP :-) The Sunny is a very good VFM product in the C segment that seems to be selling well after the diesel was introduced. Do post some pictures and keep us updated on the Nissan India A** experience.
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The Caaar is actually pretty damned good as far as it's interiors and rear seat space etc are concerned. My friend recently bought one and it is really nice inside. The only thing I found a teeny weeny bit troublesome is the reduced head room on account of its steeply sloping rear roof line. Else it is a very good value vehicle for the cash one stumps up!
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Congratulations !!

Booked a Sunny XL Diesel in the same colour myself last week!!...

Looking forward to your thread..
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Congratulations on the new car . Will keeping an eye on your thread to get to know the Sunny better - planning a second car a few months down the line and this would be a strong contender
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