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Old 15th September 2014, 15:10   #346
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Nice chart there, also there are various android apps like FuelLog/aCar to help record fuel refills and car related expenses.
I tried a few apps but did not like any of them. Moreover I want control over the raw data to analyze this data further. One simple analysis I want to do is the mileage change after each service. Also intend to find out how it varies as the vehicle ages.
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...Looks like a brilliant offer! Good to see them market it properly to spread the word.
Thats good news! Thank god I didn't go in for it last month. Phew! Patience just saved me 45k! Nano has terrible resale value, this should help quite alot.

Old school business practices holds TATA Motors back, they should've launched the NanoTwist at this price since Day 1 !

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...Moreover I want control over the raw data to analyze this data further. One simple analysis I want to do is the mileage change after each service. Also intend to find out how it varies as the vehicle ages.
Hi! I too have used these apps and found they are very handy, also as there is an option to export all the data (of refuelling & service costs, dates etc) to an excel sheet, it very much gives you control over the raw data, including the kind of analysis you seem to be looking for.
Btw, CONGOS on the Nano!

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Yes, under the same 45K offer, I have booked one. I got a corporate discount of 2K on top of that in addition to the regular mats + mud flaps. A further 3K discount on accessories alloy wheels+door visor+car seat cover for which I pay a total of 14K instead of 17K. This second car is for wifey and parents. Overall, I felt that at about 2.5 lakh onroad, Twist is real real value for money
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Yes, under the same 45K offer, I have booked one. I got a corporate discount of 2K on top of that in addition to the regular mats + mud flaps. A further 3K discount on accessories alloy wheels+door visor+car seat cover for which I pay a total of 14K instead of 17K. This second car is for wifey and parents. Overall, I felt that at about 2.5 lakh onroad, Twist is real real value for money
Does the OTR price include the 14k for the accessories? If yes, then OTR without accessories would be about 2.35 lakhs. I remember that the OTR price soon after launch was about 2.87 lakhs.

If you have not already bought the AMC, I strongly encourage you to. It's very cheap for the Nano and worth every paisa of the price. You will be surprised at how small the maintenance bills are with the AMC!
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Does the OTR price include the 14k for the accessories? If yes, then OTR without accessories would be about 2.35 lakhs. I remember that the OTR price soon after launch was about 2.87 lakhs.

If you have not already bought the AMC, I strongly encourage you to. It's very cheap for the Nano and worth every paisa of the price. You will be surprised at how small the maintenance bills are with the AMC!
No, the OTR does not include the 14K for accessories. The effective "as-is" price for me is 2.45. I am actually going for the car under a 3-year company lease. The main advantage being that it works out 10K cheaper than the loan amount (after the tax benefit of course )

However, I felt the alloy wheels are every penny worth of it and negotiated for it with car seats for door visors for 14K. The price they quoted for Alloys+Door Wisor + seat covers is 13800+1100+3500 (18..5K). Just checked on Concordemotors.com and verified that the OTR includes AMC so your suggestion is nicely taken care of. Also, the Nano now comes by default with 4 years/60K warranty and hence the "Extended Warranty" is not applicable for it which is another bonus. Any other suggestions from you?
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I'm a 5foot6inch guy, but had a huge problem trying to get to the "brake" pedal when I sat in a Nano Twist yesterday. I would have to diagonally access the pedal and my knee would always brush the low-placed steering wheel.

How are you guys managing?
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... Any other suggestions from you?
Tata dealers are finicky about accesories not installed by them and generally will not repair anything not installed by them. This may have to do with the many problems the Nano initially faced and all the warranty claims Tata was forced to deal with. So my advice is to buy any accessories you want from the dealer for peace of mind.


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I'm a 5foot6inch guy, but had a huge problem trying to get to the "brake" pedal when I sat in a Nano Twist yesterday. I would have to diagonally access the pedal and my knee would always brush the low-placed steering wheel.

How are you guys managing?
I'm 5'10" and I sit far enough away from the steering wheel to not have my knees brush against it. But the brake pedal is oddly positioned and forces a diagonal push. You do get used to it but it is something that will irritate you everytime you notice it.
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I took my little over one year old Nano for service to Concorde Pune yesterday, having done a paid service in February after a Goa drive. To my surprise, I was told that the second free service coupon having expired, I would have to pay for the service, even though my total running is below 10000kms.
After escalation Concorde agreed to waive the labour charges.
The reason for this is that TML will not in turn pay the labour charges to Concorde for a coupon past its due date, so Concorde is out of pocket.
On a matter of principle I escalated this to TML and found out that their reminder system logic is flawed, triggering a service reminder call only before a year is to expire from the last service - in my case, the February one. I also pointed out to TML that the fact of the coupon losing value isn't mentioned on the face of the coupon.
From the interest shown in understanding the issue, I must say that TML is listening - what action they take is to be seen. I suggested that they just do away with this expiry on the date up to which they will reimburse the dealer, without changing any warranty terms and conditions for service as recommended - or at least change the logic in the reminder system.
Credit to Concorde for going the extra mile though and as of now, a thumbs down to TML for a policy that ensures expected customer service only if a dealer does what Concorde did.
It will be interesting to see what corrective system action TML puts in place to correct this state of affairs.
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I was told that the second free service coupon having expired, I would have to pay for the service, even though my total running is below 10000kms.

On a matter of principle I escalated this to TML and found out that their reminder system logic is flawed, triggering a service reminder call only before a year is to expire from the last service - in my case, the February one.
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I share your concern Sawyer. I faced a similar issue with them a year ago. wherein the service date mentioned was 15th Dec and I took the car to them on 20th. VST simply refused to do the free service saying that the scheduled service date had passed. It took a lot of heated arguments with the senior staff to get my free service done.
Also as my two year service came up, I started getting calls from all TATA motors service stations, some even tried coercing me into bringing the car for service. The terms state that 2yr or 20000hrs whichever is earlier. My car had run only 11000hrs and I had recently done my 10000hrs service. Again I had to reason with them on why I should be bringing in the car for service a mere 1000 kms after the earlier one was done. The argument ended with the service station stating that the car would be out of warranty if I did not do the 2yr service.
I have quit going to TATA motors service stations. My neighbourhood workshop does a fantastic job and I trust him more than authorised workshops.
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I have quit going to TATA motors service stations. My neighbourhood workshop does a fantastic job and I trust him more than authorised workshops.
You may lose warranty coverage if you do this.
My case was perhaps a little different. Warranty coverage can be withdrawn if service at Tata authorised stations has not been done every 12 months or every 10000 kms, whichever is less. Which mean that even if you have done just 1000 km in a year, but 12 months have passed since the last service, warranty is liable to be lost. I don't have any arguments against that, my issue was only for the labour charge concession on the coupon being withdrawn after its expiry date.
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My car had run only 11000hrs and I had recently done my 10000hrs service. Again I had to reason with them on why I should be bringing in the car for service a mere 1000 kms after the earlier one was done.
YOu mean KMS not hrs, right?

ANyway, the engine oil deteriorates not only over driven distance but also over time. So even if you have done 10 kms only last year , you need to change the engine oil.

Also , TATA rates for Nano are actually as cheap as any neighbourhood garage. Why risk your 4 year warranty?
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YOu mean KMS not hrs, right?

ANyway, the engine oil deteriorates not only over driven distance but also over time. So even if you have done 10 kms only last year , you need to change the engine oil.

Also , TATA rates for Nano are actually as cheap as any neighbourhood garage. Why risk your 4 year warranty?
Oops, it is kms not hrs.

Sorry John Doe, I do not agree that engine oil or any oil for that matter can deteriorate so fast. Having had hands-on experience with oils in my previous avatar (career), I know that this does not happen.

Yes, the car may go out of warranty. But I care two hoots for TATA service now. Like I said, my neighbourhood service guy is a gem. IMHO, there is nothing that an authorised station offers which this guy cannot.

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Sorry John Doe, I do not agree that engine oil or any oil for that matter can deteriorate so fast. Having had hands-on experience with oils in my previous avatar (career), I know that this does not happen.
The 10kms may be an exaggeration to make a point, but if you are an occasional user - particular where the runs aren't long enough to allow the engine to come up to normal operating temperature for a decent time to burn off oil contaminants - engine oil will actually degrade faster than in a car that sees daily use in excess of 30-45 minutes at a time. Other oils such as gearbox etc., I agree that time induced wear isn't significant because combustion contamination does not take place there. Which is why the 12 monthly oil change is advisable even for a car which does, say, just 2000-3000 km in that time. And why Tata has that as a warranty condition.

If you don't need warranty coverage that's your call to make and in a Nano, a low risk call. It may not be so for Tata cars higher up the price points.

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Hi Guys,

Finally took delivery of my (my wife's) new Nano Twist (Damson Purple - her colour choice)this afternoon.
From making the booking to taking delivery has taken 25 days!! And Tata's wonder why the Nano is not selling!

In a previous post I had written about a deal being offered to me at the end of last month which was later changed by that particular dealer. I was rather upset about that and so after a couple of days inquired with another dealer - the one I finally bought the car from - Ishwari Motors in Bicholim, Goa.

The final working was like this :

I gave them my old Nano - February 2012
I paid Rs. 1,05,000.
I got a new Nano Twist!

My old car was valued at : Rs. 1,20,000.00
Exchange Bonus : Rs. 25,000.00
Loyalty Bonus : Rs. 20,000.00
Total Car Value : Rs. 1,65,000.00
Gold Coin : Rs. 3,000.00
Total final value : Rs. 1,68,000.00
Cost of New Twist : Rs. 2,73,000.00
Difference I paid : Rs. 1,05,000.00

This amount is including registration and insurance.
They have also thrown in mud flaps, matting and a 3 year AMC.

They allowed me to keep the original Tata alloy wheels which are like brand new and worth Rs. 11,000 from my old car so I consider that another bonus.

I paid an additional Rs. 10,000 to the RTO for a "special" number but that's another matter.

I also paid an additional Rs. 1325 for zero depreciation insurance but that again is my choice.

I think overall I have got a pretty good deal and am happy with it.

Not so happy with the long wait but that's in the past now. I have to say here that the delay was caused due to the colour we wanted - Damson Purple. All other colours available within 3 to 4 days but not this one. Huge demand for the same.

The car was supposed to be a birthday gift for my wife. Now it's a belated birthday gift!! Never mind. When dealing with Tata's one has to adopt a different approach - as I've said in a previous post. Like I told my wife - Now you have had two birthday's this year.

First impressions :

The VIN number was sent to me and I checked it prior to delivery. Manufactured in August 2014 so no problem.

The odometer read 12Kms on delivery so quite happy with that.

The car was handed over gleaming and decorated with ribbons, balloons etc. Good show all round. Sadly they used double sided tape for the ribbons so a bit of a pain getting it off. No actual demo given but having had a Nano for the last two and a half years I did not really need one.

The car sits at least two inches (50mm) higher than the old one. Even easier ingress and egress. Huge gap in the wheel well arches both front and rear. I asked the reason and was told it was due to the power steering motor and new type shock absorbers.

I asked if I could now fit broader tyres but sadly the answer is still No!! The tyres will touch the power steering motor when turning was the answer.

The steering wheel seems larger (closer to my knees now) and the gear lever appears to have been moved back quite a bit. Closer to hand but takes some getting used to as it now touching my leg when in fourth.
The gear shift has got much smoother and feels much better than the old car.

The engine is now much more refined. More smooth and silent and does not sound so much like a Tata Ace or rickshaw. Huge, huge difference. Big thumbs up for Tata's here. The noise inside the car is also much less than before.

The power steering (the main reason I bought this car) is an absolute delight. Effortless to drive now. You can literally turn the wheel with one finger. Seems to weigh up well when the speed builds up but as I am still in the running in period I can only go upto 60Kmph so can't say about speeds higher than that.

The dashboard is another huge improvement. First time I have an MID (and that on a Nano!!) on the dash and it's nice to see the time, AFE, DTE etc. Can't say how accurate it is till I have done a few tank-fulls. I still have to play with the settings as right now I can only see one of the readings viz. AFE or DTE or the ODO whereas I would like to see the ODO plus one more.
AFE at present is showing a steady 15Kmpl. I love the way the speedo needle does a sweep of the dial every time you start the car.
The fuel gauge has one bar with a red light. The other bars are orange. All the bars are lit all the time. I would have thought it would be better for the red bar to come on only when the fuel tank was nearing empty.
Good to see a temperature gauge back on the dashboard.
Would have been even better with an RPM meter.

Very disappointed to see that the car was delivered with two keys but only one remote control. What does one do if one loses the remote? The showroom had no answers except - use the key! Can I buy another remote from Tata's? Does anyone know?

Glad to see the car comes fitted with MRF instead of the awful JK tyres I had on the old car. I might not even bother to change the tyres. Just fit the alloys from my last car.

I notice that the jack and spanner has been relocated to the boot where it is bolted in place. This reduces the size of the boot even more. There was nothing wrong with it's original location under the seat.

The suspension also appears to be improved. I drove 25 Kms to the showroom in the old car and the same 25Kms back in the new. The ride was definitely more comfortable and less noisy on the way back. The brakes also appear to be better.

The glove boxes with the attached speaker boxes with brushed aluminium surrounds are a huge improvement on the old car where there were some horrible plastic grey boxes for the speakers with wires visible (Original Tata fitting) loosely placed on the dashboard. I used to hate looking at that every day. The stereo itself is the same as what I had in my old car apart from the Bluetooth. Decent sound quality. Still have to do some sound settings. Using the term "Amphi Theatre Sound" I feel is rather exaggerated and a bit over the top.

Power window switches have also been relocated so no more contortions at the toll booths, thank God. Hazard warning light switch also relocated to the dashboard for much easier access. Headlights seem to be brighter. Focus on main beam is a bit less concentrated than before but now gives a wider spread. Makes other road users dip their lights immediately which never used to happen with the old car. Wondering whether I should fit the Philips Night Vision which I had removed from my old car.

The horn is a single unit and is just a joke. You won't move a 2 month old puppy with it never mind trucks, buses etc. The dual Skoda type horns with relay will be fitted tomorrow.

The car comes with beige upholstery. Seat covers are an absolute must.

Sad to say that the dealer from where I bought the car did not have a single accessory available (apart from the matting and mud flaps). No door guards, no bumper protectors, no 3M treatment, no seat covers, no extra horns, nothing. And they are a "NED" or "Nano Exclusive Dealer"!!! Just goes to show that Tata's have to go a long way before they reach their "Horizonext". I could not even get a print out of the insurance cover note because there was a power failure for about an hour while we were taking delivery and the showroom did not even have an invertor or UPS for the computers.

All in all I have to say that I am really happy that I decided to buy this car - so far!!! (With Tata's one never knows so I'm keeping my options open). It is a huge improvement on the old model and for Rs. 1 lakh (and a 2 years 7 months old Nano) I now have a brand new car with PS, MID, Stereo with Bluetooth, power windows etc. What more could one ask for? Well, an 800cc engine putting out 60BHP would be nice. Tata's are you listening?

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From making the booking to taking delivery has taken 25 days!! And Tata's wonder why the Nano is not selling!


Very disappointed to see that the car was delivered with two keys but only one remote control. What does one do if one loses the remote? The showroom had no answers except - use the key!

The car comes with beige upholstery. Seat covers are an absolute must.

Sad to say that the dealer from where I bought the car did not have a single accessory available (apart from the matting and mud flaps). No door guards, no bumper protectors, no 3M treatment, no seat covers, no extra horns, nothing. And they are a "NED" or "Nano Exclusive Dealer"!!!
Waiting for a colour of choice is usual for other cars as well - I decided to take the blue a year ago because waiting for orange would have taken too long and in any case I preferred the black and silver internal trim because in a Nano that looks more upmarket and does away with the need for seat covers.
Not giving a remote is also not uncommon, even for higher price point cars.
I am not convinced about the NED network, fortunately in Pune we have Concorde who is better equipped on sales and service.
You may want to ask around locally where a good authorised set up is in Goa for service. While my Nano experience is good and the car needs little after sales support, it is good to have a capable and familiar place for attention when needed.
2013 onwards the Nano became a much better car inside and out, and power steering if needed is icing on the cake. For the application, it has enough power if the easy to use gearbox is used well and I would not think of a trade even for a higher capacity engine. The less to go wrong the better, where Tata products are concerned even now.
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