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Manual 87 36.10%
Paddle Shifting 98 40.66%
I wont buy the Civic 56 23.24%
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Old 1st August 2006, 18:52   #286
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have booked a MT in red here at ichibaan on 28th July. Before taking the cheque the salesman promised 3 to 4 weeks as delivery period and as soon as the cheque cleared he said that it will take 8 to 9 weeks. i feel its so sick on part of the dealers to make false promises. Hey can someone tell me hwo the AT will be better ? I mean if i use the paddle shift in the AT will I get similar pickup and nos as the MT.
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RD_dude,

you cannot get a similar performance from the paddle-shifters as in the manual. It is more of a fun-to-drive addition for an automatic. No doubt the difference wont be huge.

The main benefit is you can use paddleshifters to hit redline on freeways but automatic will be good in the congested city traffic.

Go for an auto if FE is not a concern.
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Hey RD Dude which branch have you booked. Never deal with Ichibaan they are disgusting i too had a similar experience with them. Linkway is way better.
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RD-dude,
The international press says the AT gives better FE overall. The Indian press feels the AT may give 1.5 kmpl less than MT. Top Gear has done some initial research.
The kmph figs are supposed to be better on the MT but I wonder with a really good driver...on a good stretch...could be close!
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have booked a MT in red here at ichibaan on 28th July. Before taking the cheque the salesman promised 3 to 4 weeks as delivery period and as soon as the cheque cleared he said that it will take 8 to 9 weeks. i feel its so sick on part of the dealers to make false promises. Hey can someone tell me hwo the AT will be better ? I mean if i use the paddle shift in the AT will I get similar pickup and nos as the MT.
Did you pay only the booking amount or entire amount? Ichibaan have earned a bad reputation for this very reason. Not that other dealers are better - I had quite a bitter experience at Sai for swift too.

You can always cancel for a full refund, until they actually do octroi/registration. Then try Linkway/Shaman. Or write a complaint letter to Honda - not that they will either respond better. Both Honda and Maruti claim to have direct customer channels, but after first response referring you back to dealer who will confirm satisfactory resolution, they will again not respond or bother at all. Your choices are limited...

The pickup/FE on the AT is usually less due to nature of the tranny - torque converter losses occur which are not there in usual dry clutch plate type. Expect about 10-15% difference for both pickup/FE. In extended driving on clear roads, difference tends to narrow since the AT changes at optimal rpms, while a MT driver is never consistent with lug/overrev. I noted on the test drive that the AT when pushed, tended to change at about 4,500 rpm, at peak of torque curve. Maybe Jeeves or somebody else who has an AT can confirm.
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Hey RD, why dont you read the reviews written by fellow bhpians on Ichibaan you will get an idea about how quick and efficient they really are. Just take back your money go to Linkway or ask Linkway in how many days will you get delivery.
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Must be sonic sensors distrubed by sudden air pressure - try switching your air circulation to recirculation mode
Put an email to honda and they came rushing to my aid. even though i was pissed out initially am really happy at what Honda can deliver , but i still reserve my opinion about thier dealers. the problem was solved by replacing the whole secutiry system with a new one as the initial one had developed some corrosion in the contacts which escaped the Quality control guys. Honda flew a specialist from Delhi just for this>>

And just returned after a 1000KM ride in the mountains and this car has me really amazed. The AT gave me an FE of 15 on highways and 10 in the Hills. only exception was that i was manually upshifting. only let down is the city FE of 8.

The main problem i noted with the civic was that thud sound on every pothole ( feel like the struts will pop out any moment) which in my astra was never even felt.

But the positives are so many that you forget this in the long run. extremely quick for an AT( had a corolla trailing me all the way for over 100 KMs) High FE for an AT on the higways. and superbly confortable on nice roads.
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Put an email to honda and they came rushing to my aid. even though i was pissed out initially am really happy at what Honda can deliver , but i still reserve my opinion about thier dealers. the problem was solved by replacing the whole secutiry system with a new one as the initial one had developed some corrosion in the contacts which escaped the Quality control guys. Honda flew a specialist from Delhi just for this>>

And just returned after a 1000KM ride in the mountains and this car has me really amazed. The AT gave me an FE of 15 on highways and 10 in the Hills. only exception was that i was manually upshifting. only let down is the city FE of 8.

The main problem i noted with the civic was that thud sound on every pothole ( feel like the struts will pop out any moment) which in my astra was never even felt.

But the positives are so many that you forget this in the long run. extremely quick for an AT( had a corolla trailing me all the way for over 100 KMs) High FE for an AT on the higways. and superbly confortable on nice roads.
Entire system? This would involve heavy re-programming/wiring harness hassles? My friend has just told me that the dealer has called the car for contacts cleaning/replacement.

1000km drive in the hills - wow, what I would not give for that! How did the AT hold without the manual shifting?

FE is as expected, reasonably similar to Corolla AT.
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Also i forgot to add why would any one want to buy fogs at 18k when you can get HID for the same amount.
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How could Honda miss leather seats even Indigo has it as standard at almost half the price.

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Doesn't really matter...!
Even if they include it, they would charge you for it.

I am getting nice designer Stanley Nappa leather for my Civic.

I wish they didn;t have alloys also on the basic version. They are good but then I could have easily gone for 17" ers

Now knowing that you have 15" alloys, for which you have already paid but will not get much in resale, it is more difficult to go for new alloys.

Again you can get after market imported fog lamps for 9k (from Autopsyche)...
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Looks like Honda has already smoked Toyota...
Even with 1 lakh discount people are not buying enough Corollas.
Will Toyota go the Hyundai (Elantra way)? It's too early to say but it;s surely rough weather for Toyota!

"NEW DELHI, AUG 8: Passenger car sales continued to cruise in top gear with a 28.4% increase in July, riding on a low base, introduction of new models and the 8% budget cut in excise duty. All car makers, with the exception of Toyota Kirloskar Motors, saw demand rise, according to figures released by the Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers (Siam) on Tuesday."

Source: http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_f...tent_id=136712
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Default Civic v/s corolla 0 - 100 kmph controversy

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have you noticed that the previosu issues of Autocar mention the Corolla 0 to 100 figures as 9.07 secs and is changed in July 2006 (since when Civic is launched) to 9.97. Thats a full 0.9 secs difference which is a vast difference as far drag is concerned. Dont you guys feel something fishy here ? I mean Autocar wont miss the mark by almost 1 sec. Is it to show that Civic has and edge ? I smell a rat. dal mein kuch kaala ??
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hey guys,
have you noticed that the previosu issues of Autocar mention the Corolla 0 to 100 figures as 9.07 secs and is changed in July 2006 (since when Civic is launched) to 9.97. Thats a full 0.9 secs difference which is a vast difference as far drag is concerned. Dont you guys feel something fishy here ? I mean Autocar wont miss the mark by almost 1 sec. Is it to show that Civic has and edge ? I smell a rat. dal mein kuch kaala ??
That is shady.. but so is your sig if you're claiming a 0-100 of 11.4 for a (stock) Swift. In reality its 12.4.
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hey guys,
have you noticed that the previosu issues of Autocar mention the Corolla 0 to 100 figures as 9.07 secs and is changed in July 2006 (since when Civic is launched) to 9.97. Thats a full 0.9 secs difference which is a vast difference as far drag is concerned. Dont you guys feel something fishy here ? I mean Autocar wont miss the mark by almost 1 sec. Is it to show that Civic has and edge ? I smell a rat. dal mein kuch kaala ??
I can smell what you feel, honestly i feel the Corolla engine is much more capable then the Civics and with just 5bhp and Corolla having lesser weight the gap between them cant be what ACI shows now. You just let the cat out of the bag
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