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Old 31st August 2015, 11:58   #121
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No. I did not find any separate booklet for the infotainment system and I believe, this was really needed. It was hard time learning/knowing all the functions.
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Sheel, Can you illustrate the difference. I do have the XUV manual and i do not find much difference. Attaching the same for your reference.

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Are the screens in the Scorpio navigation system different from those described in the XUV infotainment manual?

BTW - I missed the navigation system on the S10's TD. But, If the sales guy who spoke with me is to be believed, then it's a standard MMI system (without the screen). If so, the trip logs may be stored in an SD Card, within the MMI unit, together with the GPS software program.


If I put two and two together, although the infotainment system appears to be "integrated", it's possible that the navigation component software may still be stand-alone as software integration of MMI GPS software with Mahindra OEM software may be missing. That may explain the instance that when you inserted a blank pen-drive, the infotainment system did not save the trip log into it.

From memory (I have MMI installed in my Innova as an aftermarket unit) - the trip log may get saved in the Navi\GPSLog folder of the SD Card as files named so: GPSLogYYYY-MM-DD_HH-MM-SS.BIN where-YYYY is the 4 digit year etc.

These BIN files are the raw GPS tracks, and the MMI software can "convert" these to the more usable .KML files. There is an option for this in the GPS Logs menu of MMI "Convert to KML". One looses altitude information through this conversion though.

Now back to the Scorpio, I am not sure if the infotainment system exposes this SD Card for easy removal. There is no SD Card slot available on the Scorpio's dash.

One way to find out the SD card slot would be to take the infotainment system out from the dashboard, and check. If not easily accessible even then, then perhaps one may need to open the infotainment system up, and look for something like this black box shown here.
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It's also possible that no SD Card slot may be available on the GPS unit. That is, there may be a shared storage for both the GPS and the rest of the functions. Its likely this storage may be in a different location, and one needs to look for it. The reason for this possibility is that, apparently the infotainment unit can be flashed by connecting the system by USB to a PC running Mahindra's software at the workshop.

BTW - I have written to corporate H.O. and asked them to provide an e-copy of the Scorpio manual.
Let's see what happens, if and when they respond. However, based on a reading of the XUV 500 infotainment manual ^^^ , it's unlikely that it will contain detailed instructions about saving a trip log.

Hence we may have to do resort to some other jugaad .

Mods - please merge this post to #121 as these are back to back.

Sheel : If you could try this - and let us know...

Using a standard USB cable (male to male) connect your laptop to the infotainment unit without powering it on first ,and then by powering it on (ACC). If my hunch on shared storage is correct - then this may show up as an extra drive on your laptop's file system.

It may be possible to browse this as you would do normally. Hence, you may come across the GPSLog folder. If so, there's your Jugaad.

Try it and let us all know.

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Old 8th September 2015, 10:30   #122
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Scorpio's infotainment has some storage device. It stores kilometers & places + other oddities of my drive for the past 30 days, which is good, but I am yet to figure out as to how to download that from the device including my GPS logs.

The radio button isn't working as well. Will ask the technician to look into it.

Explorer has clocked 11,000 kilometers and is humming along.
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Sheel , I had a few questions.

1. Do the second row Captain seats have any sliding mechanism?
2. Since the third row is a front facing bench, are the rear speakers on rear door panels getting blocked?
3. Are there seat belts in the third row?

Thanks in advance.
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Sheel , I had a few questions.

1. Do the second row Captain seats have any sliding mechanism?
2. Since the third row is a front facing bench, are the rear speakers on rear door panels getting blocked?
3. Are there seat belts in the third row?

Thanks in advance.
Hi imove,

The third of seats have seat-belts. But they aren't retractable.

For your other queries, here are pictures.

The first picture shows the amount of width the 3rd row of seat takes when folded. If you need more luggage room and would have 4 passengers or less, my advise would be to remove it. Easily removable.

My Explorer: Mahindra Scorpio S10 4x4-13-001.jpg

This is the space left in the luggage compartment with the 3rd row in place. You may see the rear speakers as well. The 3rd row has no sliding or reclining function.

My Explorer: Mahindra Scorpio S10 4x4-13-002.jpg

Following pictures will show you the maximum & minimum the middle seats can be slid. The front seats are adjusted for ~6 foot drivers.

My Explorer: Mahindra Scorpio S10 4x4-13-003.jpg

My Explorer: Mahindra Scorpio S10 4x4-13-005.jpg

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The amount of leg room present in the 3rd row

My Explorer: Mahindra Scorpio S10 4x4-13-004.jpg

A picture of the cabin with seats in place

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As far as other updates go, Explorer is inching closer to 12K at a slower pace than expected. Blame it on elections. Elections = no work & no work = no $$$ You need green-bucks to travel.

The radio button on infotainment system isn't working as well as the rear sensor. No questions asked, they would be replaced under warranty and parts have been ordered.

Explorer is running like a gem and NVH is pretty good considering an indigenous manufacturer. Wish the glass were thicker.
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Sheel,

Many thanks for all the information along with the photographs. I couldn't have asked for more. So it seems that with third row folded, the second row cannot be slid back much. And with the third row in place, suitcases with about 6" inches width can be placed at the back at most.

BTW, what tires do you have on your Explorer?
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BTW, what tires do you have on your Explorer?
Bridgestone Dueler H/T. The ones which were coming in the XUV.
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Hi Sheel,

I need an help in my decision making. I am in the market for my next car. My budget is 15 lac. My heart was with S10 until I drove XUV. Having said that, i cannot cross my budget of 15 lac. In blr W6 comes for 15 lac. While I like the driving comfort and refines of XUV, I would be missing GPS and touch screen of S10. I am also confused with the bulkiness of XUV. My daily commute would be around 15 km and once in a 3 months a long drive of 1000 km. Can you pls help me.
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Hi Sheel,

I need an help in my decision making. I am in the market for my next car. My budget is 15 lac. My heart was with S10 until I drove XUV. Having said that, i cannot cross my budget of 15 lac. In blr W6 comes for 15 lac. While I like the driving comfort and refines of XUV, I would be missing GPS and touch screen of S10. I am also confused with the bulkiness of XUV. My daily commute would be around 15 km and once in a 3 months a long drive of 1000 km. Can you pls help me.
If the roads that you encounter would usually be good, then I would suggest to go ahead with an XUV.

I believe you can swap/change the screen of W6 with that of a W8's. I have seen a W6 having a W8's screen. GPS will come along with it. Alternatively, you can buy a GPS unit as an add-on.

Personally, I would prefer to take a test-drive in both cars prior to signing up the dotted line.
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I believe you can swap/change the screen of W6 with that of a W8's. I have seen a W6 having a W8's screen. GPS will come along with it. Alternatively, you can buy a GPS unit as an add-on.
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As updated by Sales Executives, the swap is not possible. The console size differ. Can you give direction on the W6 with w8 unit, it would be helpful for me to make a better decision?
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As updated by Sales Executives, the swap is not possible. The console size differ.
Even if a direct swap is not possible, you can install an aftermarket 2DIN unit on the W6 with better performance and more features. Why not explore this option?
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After having test driven the XUV W10, Duster 110 and Scorpio S10 fairly extensively, I finally booked a Scorpio S10 4WD 7CC.

Both the XUV and Duster offered a more plush ride than the Scorpio. Both attained higher speeds easier than the Scorp. The XUV's fit, finish and gizmos on offer were a class higher. However, after a bit of spirited driving on a bit of a bad stretch, the XUV got hit thrice at the bottom and finally the bottom cover came off loose. The Scorpio and Duster both sailed through the same stretch. However, the space inside the Duster did not work out for my needs and their service network is still not as well spread as Mahindra's, add to that the high cost of Duster spares.

Finally, I chose the reliability and the go-almost-anywhere capability of the Scorp. I wish the Scorp had the same level of fit and finish as the XUV. But God and Mahindra do not listen to us mere mortals all the time.

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After having test driven the XUV W10, Duster 110 and Scorpio S10 fairly extensively, I finally booked a Scorpio S10 4WD 7CC.
Congratulations on the booking..!!
Which color did you book and when is the delivery?

The only tip I have for you is that you change it from the 7 to the 8 seater option. This will give you a lot of seating flexibility and the option to remove the last row when not in use (which is true in most cases for a long time).
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Thanks devdath. I chose the white. We never had a white car before.There were a few other reasons in favor white like better visibility by others, lower temperature than darker colors etc.

The captain seats in the second row are special requests from my two kids. They want to ride a car like their parents do perhaps . In fact, it is one of the reasons for us to choose a Scorpio. It is the only 4WD within my budget which offers that option. And as far as I know, the last seat can be removed in this option as well.

Expecting delivery within the next couple of weeks based on communication from Mahindra.

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The Scorpio and Duster both sailed through the same stretch.
How is the ride quality between both, say when the road's top layer is off and you don't slow down.

A monocoque usually forces you to slow down but as I don't have any experience of Duster and have heard praise about its ride quality, I wanted to ask you this.

How many days for the car to arrive?
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How is the ride quality between both, say when the road's top layer is off and you don't slow down.

A monocoque usually forces you to slow down but as I don't have any experience of Duster and have heard praise about its ride quality, I wanted to ask you this.

How many days for the car to arrive?
Sheel,

I know exactly what you feel. We did not slow down on any of the roads with our Test Vehicles. In fact, with BlackPearl and few other tbhpians at the wheels for some time, we had a rather spirited driving to put it a bit mildly. On such roads as you described, I could barely feel the road surface with the Duster, the XUV came a close second while the Scorpio came out third. When compared to my WagonR (which is not a fair comparison at all) all of them came out way ahead.

During high speed cornering it was the Duster that felt like I was driving a Sedan, the XUV came a tad short of it while the Scorp gave some body rolls.

Note that all our rides were on 2WD versions and we had 4-5 people on board during all our Test drives.

The Duster, in my interpretation, feels like a large sedan, rides like a 15 lac sedan, the interiors (low roof, 5 seater, etc) feels like a 7 lac sedan, with the exception that is comes with a high ground clearance. I wanted a SUV. The 15 lac Scorpio feels like a 12 lac SUV.

The XUV is also very good, extremely well finished product and full VFM. I have already described in my earlier post why I did not choose it. In fact, last August I had almost booked the XUV but got caught up in a few things at the last moment.

The Storme was one of my other favorites, but the bulk and my lack of confidence in it if I have to do a sudden maneuver kept me away from it.

I do not like the chore of folding and unfolding seats for passengers to get on and get off, so essentially any car where I have to fold the seats would not be at the top of my preference. Scorp's second row Captain Seats appealed to me.

My heart was always after the Scorp especially after the new version came in last September. In real life, I know I will probably neither drive like a bat-out-of-hell as we did during the TD in the near-empty roads of Rajarhat Newtown nor cut my corners with a haste.

The Test Drive was my heart's way to convince the brain, which in the end is still only half convinced. But then, when is the brain ever fully convinced?

The White Scorp 4WD is expected to arrive within a couple of weeks. The convincing of the brain will start when I turn the ignition on that car. Incidentally, a black Scorp 4WD is also expected to join the Kolkata TBHP gang at the same time as both were booked together, but I will let the prospective owner spill the good news himself if and when he chooses to.
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