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Old 10th February 2016, 19:50   #796
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I am a bit amused with this TD reports from two different segment of people, the experts and the users - Not just from India, But also from places where the Endeavour/ Everest sells.

Every TD reports from the Magazines, Auto portals and YouTube channels gives a very decent impression, and the reviews are supposed to be from the industry/TD experts.

On a contrary, most of the user review the from team-bhp.com community differs, if not so much, to an extent.

Keeping the sales nightmares aside, The major complaints are about the Auto-box let down, less cabin space, driver side head space and the last row comforts.

Didn't the experts miss to notice the user perspectives and make just sales promotions?

I welcome thoughts from others.
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Old 10th February 2016, 20:01   #797
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Finally ford will loose the game if 3.2 titanium will not be delivered on time.As per my opinion people will not wait for this long for 3.2 titanium and might end up buying 2.2s
As mentioned in a previous thread on this form that might be the idea of ford to price the higher variant lesser and pull crowd into the showrooms and end up selling the versions with higher profit margins
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I am a bit amused with this TD reports from two different segment of people, the experts and the users - Not just from India, But also from places where the Endeavour/ Everest sells.

Every TD reports from the Magazines, Auto portals and YouTube channels gives a very decent impression, and the reviews are supposed to be from the industry/TD experts.

On a contrary, most of the user review the from team-bhp.com community differs, if not so much, to an extent.

Keeping the sales nightmares aside, The major complaints are about the Auto-box let down, less cabin space, driver side head space and the last row comforts.

Didn't the experts miss to notice the user perspectives and make just sales promotions?

I welcome thoughts from others.
You are spot on! I didn't see many of them complaining so much about lack of headroom. Yes, headroom is not great but not a deal breaker. Also most of them here who have driven the beast have come mighty impressed.
Auto Box is definitely not a fast shifter, but come on this one weighs over 2 tonnes, not meant meant to shift gear in millisecond to hit 0-100 under 8 seconds, all i expect it to shift smooth,butter smooth. Yes Endeavour does have negatives like access to third row, space inside compared to footprint and headroom as I mentioned earlier but definitely not a deal breaker for many.Also many are missing the advantage, splendid ride quality, 3rd row legroom which is the best in segment and so is boot space with 3rd row up.

If you are in market today for a ladder on frame SUV in the range of 30-40lacs , you can buy Endeavour with your eyes shut. Rexton, Fortuner and Pajero Sports are too old be it in terms of safety, technology or features. Of course Fortuner is highly reliable but so was previous gen Endeavour.
Now coming to waiting period, well 4-5 months is definitely not acceptable but what about Fortuner?, until very recent it had 5-6 months waiting period despite being in market for 5+ years. I am not defending Ford, but a successful model shall command waiting period be it Kwid or Creta and Endeavour is no exception.
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I believe, most people buying an offroader like endeavour will not be bothered much about 0 - 60 acceleration and instead look for it's effortless cruising ability at 100 to 120km/h with utmost comfort. Endeavour scores very well in this compared to it's competitors.

Secondly I have read that it's gearbox learns from your driving style and then adapts accordingly. A review from Thailand mentioned that it takes more than 30 min to learn your driving style. This video also states the same. So let us not come to a conclusion very early.
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The difference is this is a proper ladder frame off road SUV, most of the action is below where you sit, with all that complex off road equipment. This means the floor is very high. Ford cannot make the roof disproportionately high like a Tata Safari, considering aesthetics, stability and drag. So, in the end the headroom is compromised, which is the right compromise, considering this is an off-road-performance vehicle first, stable highway cruiser with decent looks second and a creature-comfort-oriented vehicle third and last!

Pity is in India, the typical buyer will prioritize in reverse.
Hmm, maybe we would like comfort and space - like one would expect in US vehicles...

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As mentioned in a previous thread on this form that might be the idea of ford to price the higher variant lesser and pull crowd into the showrooms and end up selling the versions with higher profit margins
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Finally ford will loose the game if 3.2 titanium will not be delivered on time.As per my opinion people will not wait for this long for 3.2 titanium and might end up buying 2.2s
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I am wondering how the dealers in other parts of the country are estimating such long periods for deliveries of the 3.2 Titanium. I just got off the phone with the dealer in Shillong. I have been committed a delivery of March 2nd-4th week if booked today. This they're willing to commit in writing too.
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And by the way, estimated waiting period for a 4 x 4 MT is 6 months.

Wonder what the guys at Ford were thinking.
I have just heard that the "planners" for this launch messed up big-time by anticipating everyone would be buying the Trend versions - which is why Ford is ready with those kits to produce Trends - and not Titaniums!

Why was everyone trying to keep this launch a secret - where even the dealers were not even given any information until a few weeks before the launch??

Were customers even targeted for a sampling of what version they would buy?

I doubt it...

They just decided this would be the way they would do it, and they messed-up big-time, giving Toyota more time to milk the older Fortuner here in India!

(Fortuner launch was going to be moved up to June/July 2016 from 2017, but after this fiasco, apparently Toyota is sitting pretty and delaying back to the original planned launch date. )

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Or the buyer wants all the three!
Exactly.

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I am a bit amused with this TD reports from two different segment of people, the experts and the users - Not just from India, But also from places where the Endeavour/ Everest sells.

Every TD reports from the Magazines, Auto portals and YouTube channels gives a very decent impression, and the reviews are supposed to be from the industry/TD experts.

On a contrary, most of the user review the from team-bhp.com community differs, if not so much, to an extent.

Keeping the sales nightmares aside, The major complaints are about the Auto-box let down, less cabin space, driver side head space and the last row comforts.

Didn't the experts miss to notice the user perspectives and make just sales promotions?
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The Indian market is a leveler, and the typical buyer in India is very discerning and intelligent. If at all, it's us "enthusiasts" on TBHP that make foolish "buyers".
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I have not looked at the vehicle yet but I feel the aerodynamics and drag coefficient could be the reason for the "lower" headroom with respect to its overall size. Higher headroom would have increased the overall height and in turn increased the drag.

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May be out of topic, but I'd request a suggestion whether to go for the CLA or the C class. Difference in pricing is 5 Lakhs after discounts. Is it worth it considering the minor changes in features?
May be you can have a look at the New BMW X1, but its a front wheel drive vehicle now.
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Maybe the MT variant will have better pick-up as the engine will be able to rev much higher when needed.


Ford is well aware of the scarcity of 3.2 CKD kits from Thailand but still limiting 2.2 MT to Trend variant. If they are expecting more sales on 2.2 variants, there must be enough choice for customers. Not sure why Ford is expecting the customer to pay 33L ( 2.2 AT Titanium OTR BLR) for a lazy gearbox.

http://www.ibtimes.com/ford-shut-jap...bility-2278408

"Ford Motor Company will wind up its operations in Japan and Indonesia by the end of this year" - But they launched Endeavour in Indonesia way before India. Sounds like the decision to wind up operations was made overnight
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Ford is well aware of the scarcity of 3.2 CKD kits from Thailand but still limiting 2.2 MT to Trend variant. If they are expecting more sales on 2.2 variants, there must be enough choice for customers. Not sure why Ford is expecting the customer to pay 33L ( 2.2 AT Titanium OTR BLR) for a lazy gearbox.

http://www.ibtimes.com/ford-shut-jap...bility-2278408

"Ford Motor Company will wind up its operations in Japan and Indonesia by the end of this year" - But they launched Endeavour in Indonesia way before India. Sounds like the decision to wind up operations was made overnight
Hmm, should *we* be worried??
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How To: Fill The Ford Everest AdBlue® Exhaust Fluid



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How To: Fill The Ford Everest AdBlue® Exhaust Fluid
Wow - another subject of discussion!

Does the Indian version have this - and are the dealers aware and have the fluid in stock??

Researched now (per Google):

"AdBlue is a high quality urea solution that is easy to use. AdBlue is the registered trademark for AUS32, or Aqueous Urea Solution 32.5% that is used with the Selective Catalytic Reduction system (SCR) to reduce emissions of oxides of nitrogen from the exhaust of UK diesel vehicles."

NOx reduction...also see VW's info:

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/diesel/adblue

I think my Safari could possibly benefit from this!

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As Ford dealers are not able to commit on any time line for 3.2 Titanium delivery, I am seriously considering the new X1. I agree it's not in the same league but hey the cost are comparable and the pull for the badge is irresistible.

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Attended the Launch event held at JW Marriot Pune. No comments on delivery schedules Just the same old ans which everybody else on the forum received 2 - 3 months for the titanium 3.2.

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Coming back impressed after yet another 3.2L Titanium test drive from Elite Ford, Marathahalli, B'lore. Took it over some unpaved stretches to get a feel of the suspension, I'm sold on it big time.

Fingers crossed on early March delivery .
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How To: Fill The Ford Everest AdBlue® Exhaust Fluid
I checked this out yesterday. The Indian model does not have the feature. Maybe we can add an extra fuel tank there
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