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Old 7th June 2016, 12:03   #16
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Been enjoying the car a lot, but nothing unusual to report. Just a few updates which I wanted to share in this post.

2nd Service (3-month/5,000 km service):-
I sent the car in for the second free service which was due on the 30th of May. Since I had been using the car a lot over the last week, the service was postponed to the 6th of June. Called the guys at Pinnacle Honda and fixed an appointment for servicing and a few odd jobs.

The free service was carried out as per requirement. Apart from this, they refitted a random clip which had fallen out from somewhere under the dashboard. I had also asked them to lubricate the clutch pedal as it had started creaking sometimes. The constant creak-creak of the pedal was driving me mad after driving in start-stop traffic. Thankfully this noise is now gone.

They also seemed to have tightened some splash guard which was apparently loose. No idea what this was as I hadn't experience any problem nor had I pointed this out to the service staff.

I had also been following up with the accessories department at Pinnacle Honda for the 'Illuminated Scuff Plates' which I had opted for, but which still hadn't been fixed. They confirmed that the part had finally arrived and that they would fit it during the service.

The job done was good and I got the car back as clean as I had given it to them. The service experience was up to the usual standard and I had nothing to complain about. Pretty happy and satisfied overall.


Fuel Economy:-
I have not allowed the drivers to touch the car since we got it and I have been personally driving it 99% of the time. I have consciously been trying to drive more economically and the results seem to be showing.

The MID shows the fuel economy reading as 9.2 km/l, while the fuel log on the Honda Connect app shows it to be around 9.45 km/l (based on tank to tank calculations). I top up the tank and refill it once the range shows around 15-20 km on the MID. Usually end up filling about 35 liters of petrol.

Since my usage is 100% within the city and 99% with the AC running, I do expect my average to be a bit lower.


Others:-
I am happy to report that my Honda Connect app has become much more accurate. All the trip details and notifications have been accurate around 95% of the time. I wonder what caused the initial glitches to go away. Not complaining anymore though.

Thankfully no rattles have popped up yet, as many owners on the forum have reported. Will wait and see how the car holds up as the usage increases. Since I had been travelling or being driven around in the other cars, the City has seen very little running. Currently the ODO has just crossed 1,700. Planning to put in a lot more kilometers over the next few weeks.

We've had a bit of rain over the last few days and expect this to increase with the arrival of the monsoons. Found the car to be pretty alright to drive in the wet. The skinny tyres were decent and didn't make me feel nervous at higher speeds.

Random funny incident - I had parked next to an identical City at the golf club last week. Since my usual caddie was not available that day, I was using someone else who hadn't worked for me before. After my game, I told him to go and load my golf set into the car. I reached my car about 2 - 3 mins after him, only to find that he was trying to open the boot of the car next to mine (by tugging at the sensor)!! Poor chap had a very embaressed smile on his face when I calmly went and opened the boot of the car (the correct one) next to the one he had been wrestling with
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Old 21st June 2016, 14:13   #17
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2,000 km update:-

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My usage is pretty low (approx. 20 - 30 km/day) as compared to most members here, thus the long time taken to cross this milestone. But happy to report that I am loving the car the more I drive it. Just wanted to share a few points that I love about the City along with a few other updates.

Things that I like

Space - In the pictures below, the front seats are adjusted to my slightly laid back driving position (I am 5'7") and there is still adequate legroom for a tall passenger to sit comfortably in the rear. The seats as well as the leg-space are a huge improvement over the previous generation City (which wasn't bad in the first place).

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Enough leg-room for a 6-footer!

Child safety - Honda has introduced mounting points for child seats in cars manufactured after Feb 2016 (apparently). Good to see car companies taking into account the changing habits of users. Earlier (and still in the majority), parents used to carry their children on their lap or just make them sit normally. Nowadays, a number of parents have started using child seats and similar safe methods of ferrying their children.

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Mounting points for the child-seat located on the rear parcel tray

Boot space - Apologies for the awful picture. The boot is surprisingly big and can swallow a lot more than one would expect. I had to drop two of my friends' home after a round of golf and was a bit worried if all our sets would fit in the boot. Surprise, surprise! The boot swallowed them all with ease!

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Doesn't look like it can take in three golf bags, but it can!


Sunroof - I love having a sunroof on the cars I choose. I always drive with the inner cover opened, but the glass closed. Keeps the cabin bright and airy. Occasionally I use it in ventilation mode too. It could have been slightly better tinted as the sun does get a bit too powerful in the summer. The tint on the sunroof of my Passat is just right. Still, this isn't much of an issue as the AC chills the cabin withing 5 minutes. The sunroof's size is also just right. Not too tiny, not too massive.

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Honda Connect:-

Honda seems to have released an update for the app sometime around the beginning of June. And I am very please with the improvements they have made. Firstly, the car locator has become much more accurate and does not lag anymore. It also comes with a refresh button to update the latest location of the car. Secondly, the trip analyzer has vastly improved in terms of accuracy. I was initially not very happy with it's performance, but now it works like a gem. Lastly, the format of the fuel log has been greatly improved and provides much more information than the earlier format.

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The new format of the fuel log (in the pic above) shows information such as ODO reading at the time of filling, kilometers covered since list fill-up, number of days between fill-ups, price per liter, total spent on each fill-up, fuel economy, total quantity of fuel filled in each fill-up, etc. Pretty detailed and well laid out, I must say.

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Also, the feature (see above pic) which records certain activities (overspeeding, engine-on, engine-off, hard braking/acceleration, idle time, etc.) is much more accurate now. The over-speed warning pops up every time one crosses 100 km/hr. Good to see Honda listen to the customer and acting on feedback. I remember taking a short survey on the app itself a couple of months ago.

Things that I don't like

Horn - Sometimes seems to act as if there is something stuck in it's throat. The pitch goes low and returns to normal soon after. Come on Honda. Give us a proper horn! It is one of the most important parts in any car in India .

Dirt accumulation - I am finding it very difficult to clean out the leaves/dirt which collects along the window sill, in the gap between the glass and the rubber part. I don't want the window mechanism to get clogged up or damaged in the long-run.

Attaching a picture of the problem below, as seen on the rear-right door. This is the same situation on all four doors.

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Anyone got suggestions how to clean this out or have found a permanent solution? Would appreciate the advice.

Summing up:-
Overall, I am very happy with the car (I think I have repeated this way too many times in my posts ).

I don't have any experience with the City on the highway yet, but the car felt alright at higher speeds (on flyovers). However, I find the previous generation City much better to drive at higher speeds; especially in terms of steering feedback and overall feel. At low/city speeds, the car is a joy to maneuver. The space, comfort, features, economy, etc., have all been up to my liking.

I certainly feel that Japanese cars are so much more fuss-free to own as compared to the Germans. That being said, each have their positives & negatives. For the future, I am very likely to play safe and get another City or Corolla when the time comes.
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Old 5th September 2016, 13:01   #18
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3rd Free Service:-

Just had the 3rd (10,000 KM) service done yesterday. The car has seen very little use recently, so the ODO currently stands at 3,300 KM. The experience with the service center was fine, but there were a number of minor issues that had cropped up in the car.

Hand brake - The car had a tendency to roll a little even after fully engaging the hand brake. They adjusted the cable and the problem seems to have gone away.

Squeaking brakes - The brakes would let out a very annoying squeaking noise every time I applied the brakes. The service center seems to have done some work to it as the noise has reduced, but it is still not totally gone. I will bring this up with them again.

Rear seat noise - The seat back of the rear seat was creaking and groaning a lot every time the car was being driven with the back seat occupied. Initially I thought it was an issue with the suspension, but figured out that it was actually just an ill-fitted seat. They took the seat out and refitted it after tinkering with something. I haven't used the rear seat yet, but will check it out tomorrow to see if the issue has been solved.

Misaligned washer nozzle - The extreme right nozzle of the windshield washer was aiming somewhere behind the car. Every time I wanted to clean the windshield, I would get one nozzle (out of the 4) spraying whatever was behind the car. There was one instance when I inadvertently sprayed the biker waiting behind me at a traffic light. Got a very dirty look from him! This issue has been fixed, but now they have aligned it a little too low. However, it still does the job fine and is manageable.

Cold engine light - I would never see the blue 'cold engine' icon light up even when the car was being started for the first time in the morning. I asked the SA to look into this, but he couldn't observe this as the engine had warmed up on the drive to the service center. I don't know if he has done anything to fix this. I will check it tomorrow when I start the car up for the first time in the morning.

They rotated the tyres, checked the condition of the brakes, changed the oil and put in a new oil filter during the service. I don't know why they call this a free service, since I was charged for the oil change and filter. Though it was not a significant amount, they shouldn't call it a 'free' service IMO.

The car was pretty dirty on the outside when I got it back from servicing, but the interiors were fine. The SA had informed me in advance that their washing facility was out of action, so the car won't be washed during this visit. I was happy to note that he kept the interiors spotless as I had told him I don't want to see any hand prints, grease marks, etc. The car got a nice wash this morning and is back to looking it's shiny best!

Total charges for the service - Rs. 1,454

Other observations:-

Apart from the above niggles, the car is performing beautifully. No rattles, creaks, bits falling off, etc., seen so far.

My driver was given the car to drive for the 8 days while my VW was in the workshop. Not surprisingly, the fuel economy dipped. The fuel economy has dropped down to 8.0 - 8.5 km/l as per the fuel log calculations on Honda Connect (the MID still shows 9.0 km/l, fallen from 9.3 km/l). I would attribute this to the driver's driving style along with the amount of time spent idling.

There were more than a few occasions the car spent a total of 35 minutes or more, idling in traffic over the course of the entire journey (as per Honda Connect). This is just an observation rather than a complaint. I spoke to a couple of my friends' who also own the petrol version of this City and got to know they too get similar results.

The boot and rear bumper area have picked up a few visible cement stains that I need to get rubbed/polished off. Repeated washing hasn't made them go away. The area directly above my car is the building's lawn. There was some repair work going on where they had dug up the entire area, this consequently led to water (which was mixed with cement) to leak onto my car. We have built a make-shift cover to channel the water away from the car, to prevent any future damage.

Since I mostly drive the City nowadays, I cannot emphasize how much I like driving it withing the city (no pun intended). The size, maneuverability, etc. are perfectly suited for city driving. Despite the horrid traffic or heavy rain, I always reach my destination relaxed and fresh.

The AC is super efficient even in the extremely humid weather of Kolkata. I usually end up setting the temperature to 22 - 24 and leave the fan speed setting to 1 or 2. Anything lower is too cold!

Question: I was curious to know what tyre pressures do other City owners' on the forum maintain, on the stock tyres?
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Question: I was curious to know what tyre pressures do other City owners' on the forum maintain, on the stock tyres?
I always fill nitrogen in the car. I set the pressure to 32psi, taking into consideration the instrument error. Over time it'll come down to 30 which is just about right. Once it drops to say 27psi, ill just top it up with nitrogen. it'll last a good 4-6 months between top ups!. Spare wheel will be set to 35psi.
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There appears to be condensation forming on the extreme outer edges inside the headlamp assembly (both sides). It usually vanishes within an hour or so of the car sitting idle. While this isn't something that is worrying me, I am curious to what may be causing this. I don't know how moisture could be finding it's way into the headlamps. The car has never been driven through a flooded road.

Has anyone had this problem before? Inputs would be appreciated.

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Hi

I have been noticing the same happening at the exact same spot in my CITY as well. In fact I noticed it last week during rains. I havent checked if it happens wheen it is not raining as well.

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Update:-

The City is slowly crawling towards the 4 K milestone now, and things are going pretty smoothly. However, over the past week, I had noticed that the car was pulling to the right. Thinking it to be an alignment issue, I sent the car to a well known store to have the balancing and alignment checked. I found it strange that such an issue could crop up on a car that hasn't yet touched 4,000 km.

To my surprise, I got a call back saying my front right tyre had a bubble on the inner sidewall! At that time I thought it was a manufacturing defect, as I don't recall hitting any obstacle that may cause such damage. However, when I got a chance to look at the tyre properly, I noticed some scars on the rim exactly where the bubble has formed. This would obviously mean that the damage to the tyre occurred due to hitting something. So, my case for a warranty claim goes out the window. Time to buy a new tyre I guess.

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I wish we could sue the Municipal Corporation for keeping our roads in such pathetic condition. Funnily enough, it is a yearly ritual to do patchwork (not properly, that too!) on most roads in Kolkata. The end result we get is portions of the road that are automatically converted into mini speed-breakers. Absolutely hopeless state of affairs! Rant over. Thank you.

Apart from the tyre problem, the car is running brilliantly. The puja holiday rush has led to long idling times in traffic and hit my fuel economy a bit (not that I care much). Late nights are the only time I get to properly enjoy the Vtech's smooth power delivery.
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To my surprise, I got a call back saying my front right tyre had a bubble on the inner sidewall! At that time I thought it was a manufacturing defect, as I don't recall hitting any obstacle that may cause such damage. However, when I got a chance to look at the tyre properly, I noticed some scars on the rim exactly where the bubble has formed. This would obviously mean that the damage to the tyre occurred due to hitting something. So, my case for a warranty claim goes out the window. Time to buy a new tyre I guess.
This is what happened to me on ALL 5 of my Honda City tyres. Not at once, but 1 at a time after an interval of a few months. I have posted about this in some of my earlier posts on this forum.

I had taken the 4 year extended warrantee from HONDA. Each time the wall of the MRF tyre had a bubble I used to get some kind of 'kooooch, koooch' sound while driving. The faster I'd drive the louder the sound would be. The car would pull to one side. Went to HONDA and they immediately realized it was a manufacturing defect. The 1st time it happened, they took sometime to realize it as manufacturing defect. Subsequently for the 2nd tyre onwards when this bubble defect occurred, no questions asked. They would put a claim to concerned local MRF tyre dealer and I would get a brand new replacement tyre by paying a nominal cost post depreciation amount being adjusted. The MRF guys also had no argument as clearly a bubble on the tyre appearing for no reason was a manufacturing defect for that particular batch of tyres. By the time the 5th tyre had the bubble, I was past my 4 year warrantee and could not replace it for a new MRF tyre. Since the time the new MRF tyres have been put on, no such bubble appeared This again proves that, that particular batch of MRF tyres were in fact defective.


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I wish we could sue the Municipal Corporation for keeping our roads in such pathetic condition. Funnily enough, it is a yearly ritual to do patchwork (not properly, that too!) on most roads in Kolkata. The end result we get is portions of the road that are automatically converted into mini speed-breakers. Absolutely hopeless state of affairs! Rant over. Thank you.
I agree. This is very frustrating. I too have a similar observations. Each year the exact same spots on the road get broken after each rainfall. This time the craters on the road here were so large (owing to the good rainfall that occurred) that the cars needed to stop, be put in 1st gear and then slowly be driven over the huge pot hole. Result was, long queues of cars stuck doing this same thing over pot holes. Not to mention the damage to the tyres, suspension etc. of cars. But no one seems to take accountability for repairing bad road soon after being broken.
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4,000 KM update:-

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Crossed the 4K milestone yesterday and enjoying the car more & more with each passing day. I just wanted to share a couple of updates that I had.

New Tyre - In my last post, I had mentioned that the car had been pulling to the right. The cause turned out to find a bubble had formed on the inner side-wall of the front right tyre. I sent the car to my dealer and they called a Bridgestone representative to inspect the tyre. As suspected, the damage was caused by an external impact (though I can't remember when or where this could have happened). The new tyre set me back by Rs.5,313. Just for my knowledge, I had checked out the prices on Flikart as well. The same tyre was priced at around 5,500 - 5,600 online, add to that the charges for fitting it from a shop after getting delivery.

Overall experience with the dealer was very good. They were very prompt in keeping me updated about the entire process. I was also given a very detailed explanation by the Bridgestone representative about his findings and conclusion. Now the car is driving has perfectly as it should.

Fuel Economy - The MID shows 9.1 km/l, but as per my calculations (tank to tank method), the car should return around 9.6 - 9.7 km/l at the time of the next fill-up. The City seems to have a relatively small fuel tank. I fill it up till the auto cut-off every time and by this method, the car usually ends up taking in around 35 - 35.50 liters. Since my usage is almost totally in the congested city traffic, I'm pretty satisfied by this figure.

Sagging Seat Pockets - At the time of delivery, I got a couple of free cushions. I stored them both in the rear seat pocket as there weren't really needed even when using the rear seats. And since the rear seats are rarely used, they remained there until I decided to use them one day. Turns out the pockets on both seats have been stretched permanently due to the cushions being stored in them! Does anyone know how I could bring them back to their original shape (apart from replacing)?

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General - Apart from this, I am loving the car to bits. A lot of owners' have complained about the niggles they have faced and the fall in the overall build quality. I for one, am very happy with my purchase. Sure, this generation of the City does not feel as well put together as the previous generations. However, I (thankfully) haven't faced any major niggles that have been discussed in other threads. It surely seems Honda have made slight improvements in the later batches of the City. The City still makes a very strong case for itself in the market (good performance, higher variants are well equipped, practicality, efficiency, etc), IMHO.
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Hello ! I would like to point some things out
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Sunroof - It could have been slightly better tinted as the sun does get a bit too powerful in the summer. The tint on the sunroof of my Passat is just right.
For the tint,just go to your neighbourhood accessory dealer, select a shade of window tint and ask them to put it on the sunroof, works really well ! Just asked them to use less water and use a cloth to soak all the accumulated water from the installation as a precaution. It will take 15 minutes.

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Sagging Seat Pockets - At the time of delivery, I got a couple of free cushions. I stored them both in the rear seat pocket as there weren't really needed even when using the rear seats. And since the rear seats are rarely used, they remained there until I decided to use them one day. Turns out the pockets on both seats have been stretched permanently due to the cushions being stored in them! Does anyone know how I could bring them back to their original shape (apart from replacing)?
My Creta has had the same problem several times and in my case the seat pockets returned to the original position in two three days after I left them parked under the sun. I dont think the sun had a role to play but whats the harm in trying.

Hope this helps !
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