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Old 31st August 2016, 09:53   #91
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In normal scenarios, the parking brake (foot lever) is engaged only after the gear is shifted into "P". This lever usually not used while driving or when the car is in neutral but used as an additional safety measure when you park the car.

"A parking brake which is also called an emergency brake or e-brake, is a mechanical hand lever (older cars) or a foot-operated brake that is actually a backup braking system. It is located either between the front two seats or to the left of your gas and brake pedal. A parking brake controls the rear brakes and is a completely separate device from your vehicle’s regular hydraulic brakes. Parking brakes are never given same connection with the hydraulic brakes because if the hydraulics system fails you can make use of the parking brakes to stop your car in case of an emergency"
That’s not quite the correct sequence of engaging a parking brake in a vehicle equipped with an automatic transmission. By doing this the entire weight of the vehicle in case it is parked on an incline is virtually being borne by the drivetrain.

One should engage the parking brake first & then shift the transmission into park.

Vehicles with automatic transmission are equipped with a device called parking pawls. The parking pawl locks the transmission's output shaft to the transmission casing thus preventing any movement by the driven wheels.

Parking a vehicle equipped with an automatic transmission by putting it into “P” and not engaging a parking brake first especially when parking on a steep incline, means that driveline components including the transmission will be under stress continuously that will cause wear and eventual failure of the transmission linkage in the long term.

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How bad is bad or how to reach the height of unprofessionalism can be learnt from FCA. They have been present in India for decades, the product lineup moved out of their hands during Premier Auto regime, yet the company was in existence in India.

They are fully aware that days are limited for 1.3 MJD once MSIL launches its own 1.5 diesel mill; still the company seems to be reluctant to relook at its business strategy. This is an opportunity missed by Fiat. They could have used this niche product for brand stabilization and perception improvement, none of which will apparently happen if it fails (which seemingly is the case).

The price barrier is too high to overcome even by die hard followers of the JEEP brand. Is it so very difficult to use the tried and tested formulae of aggressive introductory pricing, tasting the success and moving on with numbers followed by jacking up the price in due course of time. They could have sold a large number of copies quickly.

Come on Fiat, you can do better !

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That’s not quite the correct sequence of engaging a parking brake in a vehicle equipped with an automatic transmission. By doing this the entire weight of the vehicle in case it is parked on an incline is virtually being borne by the drivetrain.

One should engage the parking brake first & then shift the transmission into park.
This is something new! I have always been taught to apply the normal brakes and move the gear lever to "P" first and then engage the hand brakes / foot lever.

If you to have park you car (Automatic transmission) on an incline:

1. Take your car to the available parking spot on the incline, position it within the parking lines and apply the brakes.

2. Keep the brakes engaged & put the car in "P" mode

3. Remember to engage the "Emergency Brake (hand brakes / foot lever)" before you leave the car.


http://www.wikihow.com/Park-on-a-Hill

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40+k views in just 24 hours and 90+ people taking the time and trouble to express their views, in fact (hurt) feelings. These are not ordinary people. They are committed, die hard, aficionados of everything automobile. And they are hurt, dismayed and angered.

I do hope the FCA "management" is monitoring this. If i was the CEO, i would not like to brush off their views. I would try and communicate my side of the story. Never mind if it is a snafu of gigantic proportions.

I am sure there are some members here who are associated, directly or indirectly, with the "Jeep" and am also sure that they would be equally concerned about the viral nature of this reaction. We would love to hear from you. And can promise, in the best traditions and culture of T-BHP; that we shall give you an equal opportunity to express your views.
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Stop bashing FCA everyone, let us pause and take a moment to appreciate FCA's courage to look so stupid in front of everyone. Seriously, it is a remarkable feat

I did a small test, showed some pictures of BMW X3 to my wife (who doesn't know much about cars really but knows premium brands by name), while she was drooling, I told her how much she costs. Then I showed her the Jeep Grand Cherokee, and revealed the price in INR. She made fun of me saying you are misinformed

I liked the car especially those engines under it, was confident that it would compete with Ford Endevour or Pajero Sport, In fact, I thought the Wrangler would be more expensive because it offers some exclusivity.
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This is something new! I have always been taught to apply the normal brakes and move the gear lever to "P" first and then engage the hand brakes / foot lever.

If you to have park you car (Automatic transmission) on an incline:

1. Take your car to the available parking spot on the incline, position it within the parking lines and apply the brakes.

2. Keep the brakes engaged & put the car in "P" mode

3. Remember to engage the "Emergency Brake (hand brakes / foot lever)" before you leave the car.


http://www.wikihow.com/Park-on-a-Hill
It is understood that you wouldn't engage the parking brake in a moving vehicle, you'd have to apply the brake first. The vehicle has to be stationary first in order for for you to engage the parking brake.

The key here is that the onus of preventing the movement of the stationary vehicle should not fall on to the drivetrain.

As this is Jeep Grand Cherokee thread, let's see what the owners manual of Grand Cherokee has to say on this subject. Please see line 10, page 469 of the exhibit.
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Land Rover keeps it classy

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I think the prices are only slightly above what was expected. We expected mouth-watering prices, but got eye-watering prices instead.

The extent of Jeep's pricing blunder can be gauged from this thread - where 90% or more posts are about the price and not the product. Not the best thing for a new brand.
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It is understood that you wouldn't engage the parking brake in a moving vehicle, you'd have to apply the brake first. The vehicle has to be stationary first in order for for you to engage the parking brake.

The key here is that the onus of preventing the movement of the stationary vehicle should not fall on to the drivetrain.
Guys, this was a very common thing in American cars in the 90s. Not sure why such long discussion is required here. My Chevy Malibu had the same floor located parking brake. This type was not acceptable at driving tests because the examiner couldn't reach for the brake. For my wife's driving test, I had to borrow a Ford Escort from a friend.
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Land Rover keeps it classy
wow. I'm very surprised by this tweet. Sportsmanship in the cut-throat car industry.

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And this is the reply from Jeep.


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I had registered for updates on the Jeep India site months ago and I had received a call from Jeep India informing me about their launch, dealerships, etc about two weeks back. The representative wanted to know when my plans are about buying the next car, and what others am I looking at other than Jeep Wrangler - I mentioned the Endeavour 3.2, the upcoming Fortuner and the BMW X3 alongside the Wrangler. The representative too notes as well having asked me to go slow - I wonder what was the point in trying to understand the prospective customer.

Much has been written about the pricing and I will comment no more. I know it's pointless to crib but it's also a shame that our country's customs duty structure (specifically for CBUs) puts a lot of these iconic cars and brands out of the reach of most people even though they are available in India. BTW, I may sound way ignorant but doesn't it make sense to have lower duties and higher volumes than higher duties and low volumes - or maybe it's the Indian car manufacturing lobbies/cartel at work! Someone should start a petition for changes to the duty structure
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I know it's pointless to crib but it's also a shame that our country's customs duty structure (specifically for CBUs) puts a lot of these iconic cars and brands out of the reach of most people even though they are available in India. BTW, I may sound way ignorant but doesn't it make sense to have lower duties and higher volumes than higher duties and low volumes - or maybe it's the Indian car manufacturing lobbies/cartel at work! Someone should start a petition for changes to the duty structure



I know that the rate of customs duties on CBUs are on the higher side. But, just to answer your question of why not higher volumes and lower duties, sole purpose of customs duty is not only collection of revenue but has also other important reasons like, encouraging local manufacturing, cutting the outflow of foreign exchange and so on. If the duties on CBU is lower with higher volumes, obviously there would be more imports and more duty collection, but it may not help in local development and employment generation.

Sorry for going OT.

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Very shocked with the pricing announced.
Was expecting nearly 65 lac for GC.
For jeep GC at nearly 93 lac ex showroom price there are way better options available in market like Toyota prado, Mercedes GLS, volvo XC90, Bmw x5.
RIP fiat/jeep.
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Alright, so they do acknowledge Jeep as their competitor?

Thats some endorsement.

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