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Old 17th April 2007, 16:28   #61
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Economy should be same for both. Power, driveability and refinement seems to be comparable for both.

So I don't understand why people claim Logan is doomed compared to Fiesta! Shouldn't it be the other way around? I like power windows but not at 1.5 L premium!!
Buddy,
Have u taken a test drive on the Fiesta? You would find your answers there.
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Geek Srik, how do you deal with the calls from the show rooms, when they phone you pestering you to buy their car, having done the test drive.
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Buddy,
Have u taken a test drive on the Fiesta? You would find your answers there.
I have driving the Fiesta TDCi - but i haven't taken a test drive of the Logan.

Nonetheless, we are not talking about enthusiasts here - but about Junta. Better dynamics and driveability of the car need not make the public overlook an extra 1.5 L.

Besides, I have driven both Fiesta & Verna and if enthusiastic driving was my choice I would any day go for the Verna paying a little extra. I don't know what everyone else feels about it.
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Review of Mahindra Logan 1.5 Tdi

I was coming to the office today when I passed a Mahindra dealership in Noida, Koncept automobiles, I saw a logan standing there, came to office searched for the dealerships no. and gave them a call for a test drive to which they readily agreed and the car was at my office door within 20 minutes... Nice
Just like the start of a weekday after a great weekend there was no excitement and I was feeling a little cold even before I test drove the car, probably the idea of a “cheap” diesel car wasn’t exciting enough compared to the “go fida” ford or the little wonder 1.3 JTD Swift when I test drove it.

Looks:
The looks are bland, very 80’s and the build quality is OK, not great but not too bad either. There’s a hint of cost cutting everywhere, the insides, the front, back. The front bumper for example is made out of the thinnest plastic possible, its paper thin… well almost. I could easily deform it using my hand, to the point where the chassis frame supporting the bumper comes and stops the progress :P, its useless, because even in a minor frontal collision it will be the chassis that will bear all the brunt. In this day and age where a bumper of a car is designed to absorb small, low speed impacts, it seems renault “had to” put the bumper just because every car has it… so they did… just for the sake of it. The upside is that its easily repairable. The taillights are very simple and do their job without even a hint of flamboyance. There are no starry patterns, no jewel effect, they aren’t even clear lens… and only one reverse light…. they are well “cheap”. The C pillar and rear fender without a quarter glass looks really odd but lends a solid feel to the look of the car.
The only saving grace is the sculpted front hood along with the nicely shaped headlamps and the nicely done wheel arches which go along very well with the taut lines the car has been endowed with. The neat, simple taut lines I am sure weren’t a design brief, but are there to minimize curves and body contours so that it could be manufactured cheaper compared to a more elaborate styling if they had gone for it.
I quite liked the wheel covers though, which give the look of an alloy to a causal eye…. Nice.

Interiors:
Cost cutting is the mantra everywhere, and how can the interiors be left behind. The seat fabric looks very “cheap”, the dashboard plastic quality is average, even the AC vents don’t catch your eye with those cheap silver rings around the circumference but everything seems to be well put together without squeaks or creeks. The front power window switches are on the dashboard which is odd but not much of a disaster compared to the rear one’s which are in the middle of the front seats! A person sitting behind with a back pain will leave the windows as it is, or will ask the driver to open or close them. There are no controls for the driver to operate the rear windows, he/she has to crank her neck and reach for the power windows buttons for the back passengers and operate it if he/she wants to, or perhaps they have stuck a compromise so that the power windows switches could be operated from both the sides, without giving the separate control to the driver and hence saving on costs…. yet again!
Even the AC controls aren’t placed properly, its hard to operate them, while at the same time looking at the road and your back resting on the driver seat, they are placed far too low for comfort. Also the controls aren’t in the same line, the blower switch operates clockwise downwards which causes your wrist to be in a painful position. The carpeting is minimalist, it only the carpet which is glued on to the chassis and nothing else apart from that. The steering column stalks feel flimsy when operated. The speedometer and tachometer use the same font, the tacho isn’t even redlined (not sure how does that save costs). There are no separate gauges for temperature and fuel, all the information is displayed on the LCD screen (the so called computer) placed b/w the speedo and the tacho… again to cut cost, although I didn’t get a hang of how to operate it neither do the company executive who was with me for the test drive. The column stalks feel flimsy when operated. The silver finish on the central console is tacky with no finesse. There’s enough room for three adults to sit at the back, but I am not sure how comfortable the middle passenger would be since the seat is flat and with the rear power window control in the middle, there’s no place to stretch your feet either. The exterior rear view mirrors are way too small to be of much use just like the ones on Ikon and the Palio. The steering wheel is nice to grip though a tad larger than I would have liked.The gear shifter though is nice and meaty with a brawny feel with metallic finish in the centre thrown in for good measure. The front seats are height adjustable and also have lumbar support built in, seat belts are height adjustable too which is a nice touch. The AC cools nicely, though a little noisy at blower setting 3 and 4.
The boot space is huge, but again they have cringed heavily on carpeting, with too much painted metal, nuts and bolts visible. The quality and material for the carpet isn’t very good, infact its poor.

Engine, gearshift and NVH:
Just does the job. At idle the engine feels pretty refined and muted with some characteristic diesel vibes, which aren’t intrusive. On the move though the engine does makes it presence felt. Above the 2500 revs the engine starts to sound a little coarse, and as you approach 3000 revs the engine noise intrudes too much into the cabin… again the result of severe cost cutting by Renault. There’s absolutely no carpeting in and around the engine bay to contain the noise, painted metal visible everywhere. The turbo lag isn’t pronounced and the car pulls nicely after 1500 revs but the feeling you get while driving is of a lumpy, lazy diesel at the front. It won’t respond to every movement of your feet, unlike in a Fiesta or Swift and takes time to wake up even above the 2000 rpm. Its not something you would want to drive, and doesn’t have the typical turbo diesel surge that one gets in a diesel engine, (swift almost explodes if its anything above 1800 rpm), it goes about its job almost un-noticed….. no fun.It labors up the revs but to its credit remains tractable even at higher gear at low speeds.
The gearshift isn’t as slick as Swift or Fiesta, but again not imprecise either. I never missed a shift during the course of my test drive….. again does the job but its not involving.

Ride and Handling:
The suspension is nice, not overtly stiff and the car is pretty composed going over bumps. On larger than average bumps the suspension noise does intrudes into the cabin but it’s a thump rather than a thud… kinda reassuring.
Can’t comment on the handling front as I didn’t go corner hunting on it, its just that I didn’t wanted to do it. Driving Logan is as exciting as using your mixer grinder at home.[/FONT]
The steering is precise, but doesn’t provides you any feel. Also I felt the steering to be a bit heavy, I was finding it difficult to change direction fast with just one hand at slow speeds.

Overall:
The car is well put together, feels solid and is cheap but not without a reason. Its not earth shattering value for money, there is a reason why it is cheap, the cost cutting is evident everywhere, from inside to outside, from the top to bottom. There is a reason why ford fiesta or for that matter verna is costlier.
The biggest problem with Logan is that it is awfully boring to drive, there is no surprise and delight, not even remotely. While on the test drive I called up my friend who works near to my office to ask if he would like to come along and drive it. He did and after a kilometer or so of driving turned back to his office and got down…. Sums up the car actually.

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Old 17th April 2007, 18:49   #65
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Fantastic review extreme_torque,from the reviews I have read so far I am totally disappointed with the car,still did not get time to check it out.

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The speedometer and tachometer use the same font, the tacho isn’t even redlined (not sure how does that save costs)
This way both the petrol as well as the diesel cars can have the same tacho,no need for a different one.

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Old 17th April 2007, 19:30   #66
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Nice review E_T, although i felt you went in with a negative mindset to start with, and so was slightly critical in your approach. Most points do seem true though.
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Excellent review there, ET.

You covered almost all the points.
BTW how was the space inside? I heard it beats the Corolla as far as interior space is concerned..
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Mahindra Logan is an exhorbitantly priced car which was supposed to be "cheap".
Im not gonna wish Mahindra-Renault luck because they're GREEDY.
So,Im gonna CURSE THEM!!!
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Excellent review there, ET.

You covered almost all the points.
BTW how was the space inside? I heard it beats the Corolla as far as interior space is concerned..
The seats are nice and comfortable and the rear seat is really wide but I am not sure how comfortable the middle passenger would be because the middle part of the seat is sans any contour and is flat, those stupid rear PW switches and that fact that the floor isnt flat like the Honda City.
Can't compare it to a corolla, havent sat in one.

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Great reviews guys

The way power windows works in Logan, looks like they better give mechanical rollup windows

Reliability has never been Renault's (or any French?) strong point. People hoped that they will improved after Nissan-Renault merger. But unfornuately now Nissan cars started catching -ve from Renault rather than the Renault catching +ve from Nissan.
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nice review ET, as they say the car speaks for itself. and the first impression is the best impression! and my first impression was "yuck"
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I did see the car a couple of days back actualy about three of them in different colours being driven towards hebbal from Nagavara on the B'lore ORR. The same " yuck " feeling occured to me also , but should get behind its wheel before , i confirm the yuckiness of the car all over .

An yep extreme_torque nice write up !
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Mahindra Logan is an exhorbitantly priced car which was supposed to be "cheap".
Im not gonna wish Mahindra-Renault luck because they're GREEDY.
So,Im gonna CURSE THEM!!!
Wow Nitrous, you sound really pissed off man.

Another point to note is that engines are transmissions are being fully imported in addition to other items and duty has to be paid on these. So, its not possible for them to price it same as Indigo.

Price cuts will happen down the line based on how the sales turn out.
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Thats a very good review you put up ET. Going by the no. of times you have used cheap in your review, I think what Mahindra meant by getting the Logan in cheap was literally "CHEAP" in the sense of quality and cost cutting.

And we thought cheap would stand for the price

Too bad they havent priced it well inspite of doing so much of cost cutting. I'm quite disappointed moreso maybe because I expected quite a bit from this car. Looks like Tata need not be a very worried lot atleast for now.

Though your review has summed it up excellently, I think I should still take a TD to experience what you did.
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