NHC vtec TD

[anachronix]

Guys,

I have been driving on the Chennai - Bangalore highway for around 3 years now, but never the NHC or the NHC VTec could stand with the Ikon.

But i also understand how good is the OHC VTec (Had a nice run on the highway sometime back with the old VTec of my friend's...).
IT WAS IMPRESSIVE.

You are not getting the same as it was a few years back. I still love the OHC VTec. The NHC VTec is overpriced and it simply doesnt make sense!

[diabloo]

Hey man, OHC VTEC was selling at 11 lakhs but the NHC VTEC sells at 9.3 lakhs. Then why do you say its overpriced?

Originally Posted by anachronix

The NHC VTec is overpriced and it simply doesnt make sense!

[akshay1234]

Originally Posted by diabloo

Hey man, OHC VTEC was selling at 11 lakhs but the NHC VTEC sells at 9.3 lakhs. Then why do you say its overpriced?

the ohc vtec was a completely different ballgame altogether. it was like the RS of that time.

[reignofchaos]

Originally Posted by anandpadhye

0-100 figures for

fiesta 1.6 - 11.43 sec
city iDSI - 13.11 sec
city Vtec - 10.66

And more surprize:---------

40 - 100 kmph (in 4th gear)
fiesta 1.6 - 17.21 sec
city iDSI - 17.76 sec
city Vtec - 17.29

So if I am driving at 50kmph and suddenly need to accelrate and overtake someone, iDSI is just as fast as anybody else, that too with only 77 bhp and 15kmpl FE.

Completely lame argument... If one needs to accelerate suddenly to overtake, he/she will downshift not floor the throttle in 4th gear and wait. Once you do that, the other cars will completely eat the iDSI City.

[BlackPearl]

Originally Posted by diabloo

Hey man, if its underpowered why does it whip every other car (in its category) on the highway?

@diabloo - can you please give a list of the cars it can whip in its category on higways?

[diabloo]

I agree. OHC VTEC was fun to drive and the adrenaline rush was worth the money (11 lakhs in this case). But comparing from price point:

• EPS comes in for HPS
• Fabulous interiors comes in for normal interiors
• L series engine in for B series engine

But still NHC VTEC is cheaper than OHC VTEC !

Originally Posted by akshay1234

the ohc vtec was a completely different ballgame altogether. it was like the RS of that time.

[diabloo]

hey, its under 1.5L (stock) category. Stock Esteem comes close but it doesn't have the top whack. This is for iDSI. If its VTEC, then none.

Originally Posted by BlackPearl

@diabloo - can you please give a list of the cars it can whip in its category on higways?

[BlackPearl]

Originally Posted by diabloo

hey, its under 1.5L (stock) category. Stock Esteem comes close but it doesn't have the top whack. This is for iDSI. If its VTEC, then none.

oh ok, so it is wrt engine size. I thought you were speaking about C segment cars in general. But IMO NHC seems very unstable after 140-150 Kmph.

[akshay1234]

Originally Posted by diabloo

hey, its under 1.5L (stock) category. Stock Esteem comes close but it doesn't have the top whack. This is for iDSI. If its VTEC, then none.

well no. id say the city comes close to the esteem.

the OHC vtec was more powerful than the NHC vtec.
the looks were better(IMO).
the interiors of the NHC arent much better than that of the OHC.
i agree, the vtec was high priced and it was selling at that since there were no other performance oriented sedans at that time. had the OHC been there now id wouldnt have sold at 11.

[shuvc]

Originally Posted by diabloo

hey, its under 1.5L (stock) category. Stock Esteem comes close but it doesn't have the top whack. This is for iDSI. If its VTEC, then none.

I was wondering. Since you said earlier that the NHC is not overpriced.
Now that you are comparing it with 1.5L or less engine capacity cars, don't you think it is overpriced ??

In Kolkata the GXi costs around 2.5L more than the Esteem, Accent and easily 1.5L more than the Aveo/Fiesta 1.4L variants.

[vnabhi]

Originally Posted by BlackPearl

@diabloo - can you please give a list of the cars it can whip in its category on higways?

He probably had Santro, WagonR, Maruti800 and Alto in his list---can't think of any other car that is slower, unless we go for dated models like Premier Padmini and Ambassador.

[anandpadhye]

Originally Posted by reignofchaos

Completely lame argument... If one needs to accelerate suddenly to overtake, he/she will downshift not floor the throttle in 4th gear and wait. Once you do that, the other cars will completely eat the iDSI City.

He he he....

This is no argument. These are figures.

If the three cars are in 4th gear at 50 kmph and the drivers step on gas, they will reach 100kmph at the same time!

This does not mean the drivers can not downshift....

If one does not understand the significance of this test, and thinks the test is about racing, then I am sorry for him.

[BlackPearl]

Last month Razor4077 (in a brand new VTEC) and I (in my 2.5 year old Balneo) had gone out some 50 Kms out of Kolkata at night. During that journey he told me that the VTEC was not handling properly and it was very difficult to slow it down from 140 Kmph. IMO braking should not be an issue with discs all around and maybe this particular car had some problem. But I think NHC is better suited for 77 bhp and should not be given 100 bhp if it cannot handle that power. Very good drivers may be able drive the vtec to its limit but for general drivers I think the dynamics are not suited for that powerful engine. Maybe Razor can post what problems he was facing that night.

[diabloo]

Hey, the idea of segments is rubbish. Does it bother anybody that they own A,B,C,D or A1,A2,A3,A4 segment cars? No !! What matters to them is that they own 6 lakh car, 8 lakh car, 14 lakh car. I won't go to the market to buy a A3 segment car or a C segment car. I go to market to buy a 8 lakh car.

Originally Posted by BlackPearl

oh ok, so it is wrt engine size. I thought you were speaking about C segment cars in general. But IMO NHC seems very unstable after 140-150 Kmph.

Every car has its price. M800 costs 2 lakh & Esteem costs 5 lakhs. Can anybody account for extra 3 lakhs worth of materials in Esteem?
A pair of Nike costs 2000 rupees. Stitching a pair of Nike & getting it to the selling place would not cost more than 200 bucks. What happens to the other 1800 bucks? Isn't it overpriced also? Then why do you buy a pair of Nike? NHC costs 8 lakhs. SRV costs 8 lakhs. But people buy NHC because they feel its worth it.

Originally Posted by shuvc

I was wondering. Since you said earlier that the NHC is not overpriced.
Now that you are comparing it with 1.5L or less engine capacity cars, don't you think it is overpriced ??

In Kolkata the GXi costs around 2.5L more than the Esteem, Accent and easily 1.5L more than the Aveo/Fiesta 1.4L variants.

[BlackPearl]

Originally Posted by diabloo

Hey, the idea of segments is rubbish. Does it bother anybody that they own A,B,C,D or A1,A2,A3,A4 segment cars? No !! What matters to them is that they own 6 lakh car, 8 lakh car, 14 lakh car. I won't go to the market to buy a A3 segment car or a C segment car. I go to market to buy a 8 lakh car.

Then why does not Honda put a 1 litre 50 bhp engine in the city - it would give even better mileage without compromising other things??