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Old 26th October 2007, 11:00   #316
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  • Ride has improved from the 3.0 with very less body roll. The SCORPIO we rode last week on the same road rides like a rickshaw on these roads
I guess thats one of the best TD reviews apart from "adc" post possession "experience" .

This gives guys like me have faith & confidence in the truck (maybe we should stop referring to 2.2 as truck as its more apt for 3.0). I have been waiting for the beast (sounds more apt for 2.2) for some time. I have TD'ed the beast few weeks back and have similar "feelings" as expressed by all the "happy" TD reports. In fact the ride / feel was better than Pajero which I had TDed some time back. I guess all these positive feedbacks are giving me the confidence to sign on the dotted line (some lines you can't change ......... but this line sure is gonna change you).

Waz the best deal in Bangalore for 2.2 EX 4x4 ? Anyone bought this in Bangalore.

Any RTI pings on the high road tax in Bangalore ?

Are there any offers for Diwali in Bangalore ?

Anyone else interested in forming a group for purchase in Bangalore, maybe try working out a group booking discounts .
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Old 26th October 2007, 11:20   #317
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Dont think so the speed site has a brochure of Safari 3.0 and how the hi-speed (additive mixed) diesel can improve its performance.

You need to check if the smoke/ Engine performance increases/decreases by using both fuels and then decide. Keep the first tankful after changing over as cleanser and then the next one for judgement.

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But will using it harm the engine in anyway?

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Old 26th October 2007, 11:21   #318
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Hi guys. I have been following this thread for some time now. Now that I actually rode the beast I could not wait to share the experience.
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All in all I must say I am overwhelmed and for once this is a car that feels quite close to perfect. At least thats my perception. Hats of the the new beast in town.
Nice review NVM,
Its nice to head that the safari handles this well on the type of roads that you said. I fell in love with the beast though my test drive was not too great.
Regarding the horn were you honking the horn with the windows open or closed. I too found the horn to be a little low on the decibel front with the windows rolled up, but with the windows down the horn was ok. Maybe its because of the noise insulation done by Tata Motors. Though I would be upgrading the horn when I get the delivery of my beast.
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Old 26th October 2007, 11:31   #319
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Ride has improved from the 3.0 with very less body roll. The SCORPIO we rode last week on the same road rides like a rickshaw on these roads
I am not sure how with no body or suspension change, there is an improvement in the body roll. I agree that braking may have improved becos of bigger discs and lesser engine weight in 2.2.

If people are having positive illusions on 2.2, so be it !!
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in any case, the risk doesn't seem to be worth taking (i believe the vehicle cannot be insured until it gets registered. please correct me if i'm wrong)
The vehicle cannot be registered unless you have your insurance cover note proving that you have applied for insurance.
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Old 26th October 2007, 11:47   #321
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Thanks Dadu,

Will probably keep using the higher grade fuel as am happy with the lack of smoke currently enjoyed.

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Dont think so the speed site has a brochure of Safari 3.0 and how the hi-speed (additive mixed) diesel can improve its performance.

You need to check if the smoke/ Engine performance increases/decreases by using both fuels and then decide. Keep the first tankful after changing over as cleanser and then the next one for judgement.
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Old 26th October 2007, 12:02   #322
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in any case, the risk doesn't seem to be worth taking (i believe the vehicle cannot be insured until it gets registered. please correct me if i'm wrong)

by the way, we seem to be going off-topic. wanting to see more of TD and ownership experiences. adc and the others, please feed us with more news from your cars
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The vehicle cannot be registered unless you have your insurance cover note proving that you have applied for insurance.
mtnrajdeep is right. It is a requirement to atleast have a 3 party insurance on your vehicle and if your vehicle is financed, the financier wouldn't allow you to take the vehicle an inch out of the dealers showroorm unless you have a comprehensive insurance as if something happens to the vehicle like an accident or theft it is the financier who is at a major loss. A cover note can be issued without registration (for new vehicles) with the chassis no and the engine no.
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I am not suggesting anything here, but going purely by the seat of the pants feel, the 3.0 will blow the 2.2 after say 50-60 kph on the odo. The surge you get in 3.0 when you give it a stick especially in 3rd gear, is all but missing in the 2.2. Though overall 2.2 drives better becaue of better steering and lower weight in the front and its surprisingly light footed.
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I am not suggesting anything here, but going purely by the seat of the pants feel, the 3.0 will blow the 2.2 after say 50-60 kph on the odo. The surge you get in 3.0 when you give it a stick especially in 3rd gear, is all but missing in the 2.2. Though overall 2.2 drives better becaue of better steering and lower weight in the front and its surprisingly light footed.
Extreme_Torque - I have already mentioned this in post 158 on page 11 wherein I have given the comparison.

But nobody seemed to agree at that point
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The surge you get in 3.0 when you give it a stick especially in 3rd gear, is all but missing in the 2.2.
How sure are you about that statement you made ? Drove a 2.2 yetserday and the 3rd gear is simply splendid. IMO the incentive is that the 3rd gear. Makes good for city driving.
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How sure are you about that statement you made ? Drove a 2.2 yetserday and the 3rd gear is simply splendid. IMO the incentive is that the 3rd gear. Makes good for city driving.
I said "seat of the pants feel"
In case you still havent understood: seat-of-the-pants: definition, usage and pronunciation - YourDictionary.com

P.S. I have driven both 2.2 and the 3.0
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How sure are you about that statement you made ? Drove a 2.2 yetserday and the 3rd gear is simply splendid. IMO the incentive is that the 3rd gear. Makes good for city driving.
Atleast I am pretty sure and I own a 3.0 Dicor. Please read my post number 158 on page 12
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How sure are you about that statement you made ? Drove a 2.2 yetserday and the 3rd gear is simply splendid. IMO the incentive is that the 3rd gear. Makes good for city driving.
He's talking about it "relative"ly - as in compared to the 3.0L
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Booked the 2.2 EX 4X4 today, delivery expected by next week . Will post out details as and when available.
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Okay the time is coming nearer so called for the 2.2 Demo vehicle.

I will not be comparing it with any other vehicle, will just post what I felt.

Safari 2.2 4x4 VX Demo Car came around 45 min late than the given time with a driver and a salesguy.

Asked them to open all doors, so that me and my master can have a look inside.

My master had a look inside, sat on the front seat & back seat, felt good and comfortable while I tried the rear jump seats and bump, my head hits the back. I am not even 6'. No problem, can be used only for luggage and children.

Dont know if to step directly inside or use the step in the bumper for the foot. There should be handle inside somewhere for the pull.

Got out and went on to try the back seats, the same dilemma to use the side footstep or step inside directly. Anyways the back seat is comfortable and ample legspace.

Salesguy asks " Will you take a test drive sir". Ofcourse I will, thats why I called you here and I jump into the driver seat while my master sits besides me. Salesguy asks for my current vehicle and then starts explaining the features of Safari, I listen quietly trying to find the key, okay I could feel something, something very small and seems like a key, yes, its a key, as small as a scooter key or even smaller, atleast it felt so. Crank it and the engine comes alive. Windows are close so very little noise is heard inside, its Quiet.

Salesguy suggests to adjust the steering, try it but couldnt find much difference in the provided settings. Adjust the seat too for a comfortable position. Gear 1....ROAR and no problem, pickup is smooth like a car not very torquey.

I took it in a mix of heavy and light traffic since most of my driving is in the city and needed to see the ease at which it makes me and my master ride. Heavy traffic, constant stop and start, no problem, a bus suddenly tries to stop infront of us and I try to steer away and then back on , yes the steering is light and responsive, a little more turn I could have been kissing the side of the bus while coming back in line. One more thing, incase of sudden braking, I could feel the body rock, the suspension seems supersoft and could still feel the bumps and breakers, perhaps overexpectation took over me.

Okay lets take it to an empty road now want to try a U-turn and slight speeding and braking. Wait a minute whats this rotational thing which I can feel in the clutch while completely pressed, tell the salesguy, no response. Move on, but why I am feeling a lull inbetween gears changing to higher ones, got it, someone posted about it in T-BHP. Ask the salesguy about when the Turbo kicks in.

Try to take sudden acceleration and then stop no problem except that the rock makes you feel that its top heavy. Now try to make a U-Turn, Salesguy: its 6m sir. I know, but hit the footpath, look back, reverse, cant see much at the back, look at the side mirrors, salesman points out: it has a reverse camera sir, try to look, its too bright outside, cant see....no wait, with a bit of concentration, i can see the road at the back.

Moving on, try to speed up again still feel speeds not good, hold on, master points to speedo touching 80km/hr, couldnt feel it inside. I take the vehicle to heavy traffic, check the power windows, check for power difference between A/C ON and OFF, strange no difference.

Drive around in the traffic come back home, fill up the feedback form, exchanged cards, end of Demo.

Wait, most importantly, master is pleased, will buy but might take time, need to work out somethings with my employer.
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