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Old 15th October 2007, 12:27   #106
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Juda, we can understand not revealing the sources but can you atleast share with us on what other parts have been failing.

It will help fellow BHPians like adc and others here. Atleast people will be mentally prepared even if they go ahead after reading this.

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Tata is surely having issues with certain critical parts of the 2.2L I dont think this is an engine problem however as told to me some critical parts have been failing. I cant reveal the exact conversation nor the source however I have been strongly advised to put off my buy for the next 4 to 5 months
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I am going about with a lot of apprehension. I went for the LX 2.2 after becoming thoroughly confused about whether to go for 3.0 or 2.2.

As things stand now I am getting delivery of the 2.2 tomorrow [Tuesday] and with these news and views about reliability of critical engine components, this is driving me crazy.
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I am going about with a lot of apprehension. I went for the LX 2.2 after becoming thoroughly confused about whether to go for 3.0 or 2.2.

As things stand now I am getting delivery of the 2.2 tomorrow [Tuesday] and with these news and views about reliability of critical engine components, this is driving me crazy. There is now no going back.

Let see what Fate has for me - if I am getting the safari tomorrow, i am off for a 2000 km journey from kolkata to north bengal forests and back - in fact I booked this safari just for this and now if it ditches me in those forests ...

These are tough and confused times.
Word of caution. Please talk to the dealer about your trip as I guess these guys know somethings which they aren't telling us. The TD vehicles were braking down after few TDs thats a couple hundred KMs of running. the sales guy was telling me that the 1st Servicing is at 1500 kms which I think might be the one where they would start replacing the "defective" part(s) for the new ones if the issue is solved till everyone's first service. This is a gut feel, however if you are planing this huge trip please talk to the dealer before you do. Good Luck!
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Sunday was very sad for my dream of owning the beast this Diwali.
This is bad news for me too. Was planning to book it today.

Deliveries have started though. Saw a black LX on the road. Needless to say it looked amazing. Wasn’t registered though just said ‘Applied For’. Had a Nawab Motors stickers on the back.

Dealer wants 20-25 days for delivery. By then must be the second or third batch of trucks. Wont most problems be sorted out by then?

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Juda, we can understand not revealing the sources but can you atleast share with us on what other parts have been failing.

It will help fellow BHPians like adc and others here. Atleast people will be mentally prepared even if they go ahead after reading this.
There is some problem with the "starter" and the "alternator". The Safari Production team is very tight lipped about this (problems) within the company as well so I guess details aren't let out to people from other departments also.
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This is a gut feel, however if you are planing this huge trip please talk to the dealer before you do. Good Luck!

Yes, the dealer knows I am going and this is why all the registration and other things are being handled fast by him so that I get delivery on Tuesday, since from wednesday till Sunday RTO is closed. The Safari sales manager just does not know anything about any performance - their test drive vehicle had around 300+ km on the odo when I had driven it last week.

Talking to the service manager in the workshop did not give me any confidence that they really know the engine - they looked like they are still in training mode.

Let me get the service manual and let's see what the basic guidelines and move on from there.

Anyway I will be apprehenisve each and every second that I drive - just fearing that it will be stalling any second now. However, if it comes back well and fully intact in this 2000 km journey then it will put down each and every speculation. This 2K journey will prove the 2.2 definitely.

But tomorrow I will be talking with the tata regional manager and ask him also directly about engine problems and explain to them in no uncertain terms what they have in store if they have sold me a defective vehicle.
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There is some problem with the "starter" and the "alternator". The Safari Production team is very tight lipped about this (problems) within the company as well so I guess details aren't let out to people from other departments also.

Nope....that is not the issue. Look more in the direction of engine heads.....

Starter motor and alternator are easy fix solutions and will not result in inordinate delivery delays.
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Oh dear !! The posts here are not encouraging at all. I have to TD one ASAP and see if its worth it.

Since Agra is not getting any TD Vehicles soon, and I am in Delhi this coming weekend, I think I am going to pop into Dhingra ( Gurgaon ) and TD one there.

Will decide then.
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Nope....that is not the issue. Look more in the direction of engine heads.....

Starter motor and alternator are easy fix solutions and will not result in inordinate delivery delays.
Ok. Are you suggesting that this might be a engine design issue and Tata's did not fix it even before or after they starting exporting. My source doesn't have these details and thats why I cant confirm this. Could you tell us how grave this problem can be and what affects does it have on the engine and or other components and what can be the likely causes. Also, if it is a critical problem how come the TD vehicles are getting quick fixes and are ready to roll? and above all why is Tata delivering vehicles with a major engine issue? Please elaborate.
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Ok. Could you tell us how grave this problem can be and what affects does it have on the engine and or other components and what can be the likely causes. Also, if it is a critical problem how come the TD vehicles are getting quick fixes and are ready to roll? and above all why is Tata delivering vehicles with a major engine issue? Please elaborate.
Read my earlier posts on teh reported troubles with the 2.2- apparently this problem has led to blown engine gaskets in some TD vehicles

Also, if it is a critical problem how come the TD vehicles are getting quick fixes and are ready to roll?

who says they are ready to roll? the TD vehicles are being tinkered wth, sent for test drives, and are promptly back in the garage to study/rectify and problems that cropped up during the test drives.


and above all why is Tata delivering vehicles with a major engine issue

Welcome to the big bad world of tata Motors my friend
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Welcome to the big bad world of tata Motors my friend
Try, try, try again!: C'mon, you 'Tataheads', be open and come to the M&M world. They're not the best, but they do have a superior product in the Scorpio and are trying harder than Tata!

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This is not good. TATA it seems is burning it's fingers yet again. I was very tempted to go for the 4x2 and was thinking of doing it early next year. The Mahindra Scorpio Eagle would have also come-out. I have huge doubts around the vehicle now, though I was sold on to owniong the beast.

TATA needs to do extensive checks on it's passenger vehicles and stop treating customers as guinea pigs. I wonder what they do with their commercial vehicles??
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lets wait for detailed Ownership report by any T-Bhp member cos things are getting confusing day by day.

lot of people have done TDs but real problems cant always surface in 10 - 15 km run.
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I wonder what they do with their commercial vehicles??
Don't you ever drive down NH1? Enough evidence there!
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keep a note of the phone/mobile numbers of the TATA service centres on your route and also the regional managers mobile just incase.

btw, what are your travel start/finish dates, dont forget to take pictures enroute and start your LTO report.

We all would be eagerly awaiting your report. Have a safe and trouble-free journey.

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Let me get the service manual and let's see what the basic guidelines and move on from there.

Anyway I will be apprehenisve each and every second that I drive - just fearing that it will be stalling any second now. However, if it comes back well and fully intact in this 2000 km journey then it will put down each and every speculation. This 2K journey will prove the 2.2 definitely.
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Same is the problem with me as mentioned by Adc,

2 times i have taken Safari to hills,both times the clutch plates have gone kaput,though both times very extreme scenarios involving lot of clutch paddling and extended runs in ist gear.

now i'm scared to take it to hills,problem being the hydraulic clutch and my beast being 4x2

and in Himachal/Uttranchal,there are only 2 service centres in 2 full states.

i trust my zen better than safari now in hills
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