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Old 26th November 2004, 16:15   #1
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Requirement
The requirement was a for a second car which:
· had a boot (since we already a hatchback in the zen)
· should be powerful
· should be a decent if not an excellent handler
· decent ride
· did not cost over 7 lakhs
Not too bothered about:
· Fuel economy
· Resale value, since I plan to keep it for about 4-5 years and do about 80-100k kms

Options
The obvious first choice was to get a used vtec. Unfortunately in my 3 months of searching didn’t find a reasonably priced vtec with a reassuring past. Most either had doctored meters or was priced between 6.5 and 7 L for a 2001/ 2002 car!!! I even came across a 2003 model for 8.5L!!!
So then I decided to go in for a new car, which left me to choose between:
· Baleno 1.6
· Ford ikon 1.6 Sxi
· Fiat Petra 1.6
My dad had bought a baleno the previous week and was totally in love with it, so that was a serious option as far as I was concerned. But my wife hated the baleno’s backside and she did not want us to pick up yet another maruthi. So that was ruled out.

Then I went and test drove a petra, was quite happy. Few dislikes and question marks
· After sales service
· Only a single petrol model. No versions with the ABS and Airbags
· No option with body colored mirrors, except the black, where the black plastic looked close enough to the body color under showroom conditions
But then the only petrol model had power steering, power windows and central locking AND a 1.6 liter engine pushing out 100 bhp. Other pluses, the heavy body, the ride and MOST importantly a price of ONLY 5.5L on the road in Bangalore as compared to over 7L for an ikon SXi!!! For service I was counting on RAC to do the work for me. I was/ am very happy with the work they do on my Zen and I had seen a few Palio GTX’s lying around in RAC.
So then the deal was done. Kotak mahindra did the financing and it went through like a dream. I was delivered the car on the promised day at the promised time. However, I was quite taken aback by the overall “government like” attitude of TVS. Things like, We will not process anything till we encash the cheque or you give cash kind of things. But then what the hell… I must say that the guys at sundaram were quite courteous and met all commitments.
2 weeks later, when I went to collect some papers, one of the guys at the dealer, Bijoy, even sat with me for about half an hour to take feedback on the performance of the car. He was quite knowledgeable about cars so I was mighty impressed!!!
The day after I picked up the car, I changed the tyres and put in 195/70 R 14 Federals. Even before I really opened up the engine I could feel a sort of slip at the rear while cornering around the ulsoor area, which prompted me to go change the tyres. Also put in a Kenwood MP3 CD player with JBL GT Series speakers. All under 35k.
Other accessories like autocop, mud flaps, mats, Teflon coating etc. came to another 14k

Coming to the details of the car:

Performance

Absolute delight. The car can really move. And it doesn’t really feel fast. The max I have done so far is a 160kmph on the stretch between Tumkur and Bangalore and it felt ON THE GROUND!!!! No ‘about to take off’ feeling.
I have done quite a few road trips with the car already. A 2000km trip to Goa. A Sunday morning drive to Shivanasamudram, a weekend trip to bheemeshwari, an 800km 5 day camping trip to the Nilgiris.
On the way back from Goa, on the Ankola Hubli road, we got caught in a race with a Skoda (Not an RS of course J ) under wet conditions. We were able to keep up and stay ahead of him on long stretches!!! The point im trying to make is that we were able to keep up with a much bigger car without really stretching. We did the second half of that 136km stretch in under 45 minutes in the wet. The car felt stable and the tires didn’t lose grip or make any fuss throughout.

Handling

The handling of the car is slightly on the edgy side. It has a “tendency” to over steer. I would attribute it to the slightly softer set up at the rear to improve the ride. Also the fact that the suspension set up would have been fine tuned for the Palio and the addition of the boot has changed the dynamics and the folks at fiat have not invested enough in R&D to fix it.
There is also quite some body roll at the rear. But if you control your angle of entry into corners, this can be handled. However, the car has no touch of under steer. Will turn in if you are willing to!!! Quite unlike most road cars. The tendency to over steer is quite entertaining, ‘cos it puts you on your toes at high speeds.
Due to the torquey nature of the engine there is also quite a bit of torque steer on not so perfectly flat surfaces.
Another interesting point worth mentioning here is, on long trips or on trips with a full boot, the handling depends on how you load your luggage in the boot. Would be advisable to keep your heavy bags in the center and as far inside as possible. Try and get it above the rear axle. Makes a huge difference. On our way to Goa, I was quite surprised at how the back was feeling so heavy all of a sudden during cornering. The moment we reached Goa and took out the bags, it was back to the normal feeling. On the trip back, I tried the above-mentioned loading pattern and the handling was back to its normal entertaining edgy self J

Ride

This is the magical bit. Quality of roads not a problem. The car takes the bad roads like it was meant to!!! I never thought I would ever appreciate ride so much. ALSO, unlike in the Accent the handling is not so bad to accommodate the great ride. I would think the Europeans are way ahead of everybody else when it comes to getting the right mix of ride and handling.
In my trip to the Nilgiris I was constantly maintaining speeds of 80-100 irrespective of road surface. On slightly looser surfaces you do need to watch out for the over steer and torque steer in lower gears. But then the steering is responsive enough to help you catch it early on.

Fuel economy

What can I say? Why are Indians so bothered about FE? Maybe because the damn thing costs so much in India?? The Petra returns an average of between 9-10 in Bangalore city. On the highway the best I have got is about 12 and the worst about 8-9 in the Nilgiris, ripping through narrow winding roads in 1st/ 2nd and 3rd gears!!!

Touch and feel

DRAB!!! The seat covers are quite lousy and stain very easily. The front seats don’t have enough lateral support. You get thrown around quite easily during hard cornering. But the seat has excellent support for the lower back and thighs.
The looks of the dashboard plastics are sad. The exterior plastics have faded in under 3 months. The mirrors and the door strips are a dull gray already! Will have to get them painted to black very shortly.
However the doors shut with a thud that has to be experienced, especially for a guy who spent his last 3.5 years in a Japanese car. And once you shut the door, you are totally isolated from the outside road. No wind noise, not affected by the road, no feeling of speed. Absolute cruising.

Other aspects:

The boot is bl**dy huge. On our trip to the Nilgiris, we had 3 reasonably big bags, a tent, 2 sleeping bags, one pillow, 2 camera bags, 3 blankets, 2 5 litre cans of water and 3-4 small bags. HUGE
The A pillars are very thick which affect the forward visibility, but I guess that improves safety. Again the front seats back rests are very high which affect you visibility when turning onto main roads. But again this is for safety I guess. I would rather have a seat go all the way up to my neck and live through a front impact than suffer from the effects of whiplash….
The side view mirrors are rather sad in terms of coverage. You don’t see much more than what you already see in the rear view mirror. I had those additional blind spot mirrors fitted to improve visibility.

Service

The biggest problem I would think is the availability of spares. The folks at TVS don’t even keep enough stock of mud flaps. I was talking to a colleague who had to wait for over a week to get a part replaced after an accident. I heard of another guy who was asked to wait for over a month to get the engine gasket. The guy finally managed to have it couriered from Delhi sooner than TVS was able to arrange it!!!
Quality of service per se is not so bad. The car came out better than it went in. one nagging problem, the bushes that support the car’s hood tends to sink in (at least on my car). As a result im not able to open the hood. Happened within 2 weeks of getting the car. Got it fixed. Again after the 7500km service im not able to open the hood!!! TVS is supposed to send someone over to fix this.
Apart from that the coolant level tends to go down rather fast. The level went below the low level mark within about 6500km, which was surprising.

To summarize:

Likes: Performance, handling, ride, huge boot for road trips

Dislikes: non availability of spares, quality of interior and exterior plastics, lack of a model with features such as body colored plastics, ABS, Airbags, electrically controlled side mirrors

Overall: I love the car!!!! The service I can live with since it happens only once in 3 months. The performance, ride and handling more than make up for everything else J
I plan to put in a Webasto sun roof (30k), OZ Racing 14” alloys (25k), Stanley leather+ vinyl seat covers (20k) and have the interior and exterior plastics painted (5k??) Still I would not have crossed the 7L mark which is what I would have paid for an Ikon SXI
Sometime after the guarantee is over, I plan to put in K&N Filters, do up the exhaust system and explore the possibility of changing the ECU. But that’s a good 9 months away….
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Old 26th November 2004, 16:38   #2
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Awesome review of the Petra. To the point and unbiased. You seem to be enjoying your car every bit. And your buying process also seemed to go smooth. How about some pictures to go with the review

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great review.
i own palio nv 1.2 elx. i am also from bangalore. i have also experienced the same problem of coolant level going almost to the minimum, just after 5k+ km, which surprises me. can other palio/petra users share their experience with us on this? just wanted to figure out whether this is a common problem with palio/petra's.
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Hey great review rahulmud! yeah it is totally unbiased and to the point. Good read!
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Old 26th November 2004, 17:17   #5
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Congrats on this review of the best 5 lacs you would ever spend. Very detailed and will surely help potential Petra owners (Team-BHP converts?)

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Hey rahulmd, what's wrong with the elctrically controlled side mirrors?? Nice review!!
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Quote[/b] ]Hey rahulmd, what's wrong with the elctrically controlled side mirrors??
exactly, they dont offer that in the petrol version. :-(
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hey rahul
i know how u feel
th dieel petra comes with 2 versions so shouldnt the petrol also come with 2 versions
i wont mind a 1.2 version alongside it too for the FE minded indians
really good review, please post some pics
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Nice review, pal. So your car is shod with Federals? How about a little insight on their performance?
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Quote[/b] ]Nice review, pal. So your car is shod with Federals? How about a little insight on their performance?
oh yeah i'd love to hear about them as well. They sure look good, lets see how they are on the move.

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Hi Rahulmd.

Your review and inputs from other TBHPians finally made me a convert. I wanted to wait for a few more openions. But the site went for a lengthy upgrade & I could not wait.
I finally booked Petra 1.6 Petrol and got delivery this week. So far Rs. 5.25 L - including in-dash mp3, foglamps,velvet seat covers. I think you can help me out on some issues.
Petra does not have Fog Lamps as standard fitment. I had opted for the same. But the car didn't come with factory fitted Fog Lamps. They were fixed by the dealer. And he could not do the wiring to the separate switch, supposed to be in AC Control Unit. He has simply taken the wiring to the side lamps. Hence fog lamps come on with side lamps and are always on with head lights also. The dealer now offers to change the wiring so that fog lamps will come with head lights only. But I think this is not a solution.
Did you opt for Fog Lamps ? And if so, how are they fitted? Do they have independent switch?
I am also considering spolier (aftermarket) - 4k.
I also want to do teflon job, for which dealer says 4k.
What do you think?
I also heard about Dinitron or some antirust coating for underbody..particularly useful in high humidity coastal areas.
You & other TBHPians will surely guide me..

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Rahulmd.
From where you're getting OZ Racing 14” alloys at 25k?
'PJspeedshop' from Chennai was asking for 10k plus tax (each).
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After reading rahulmd's review, curiosity prompted me to check out the petra..the dealer in bangalore seemed quite eager and friendly at least during the initial visit and test drive --which lasted for a couple of hours..the car sort of grows on you..great perfoemance, excellent handling.. a little unsophisticated suspension, but none the less..a very good car given the 5.5 L price tag, anyways..i wanted electrically controlled rear view mirrors to be factory fitted and emailed Fiat chaps..after a couple of days I get guarded replies that it cant be done...fine..no problem I thought.. can I get them fitted at the dealer's workshop..no luck here too..the warranty becomes null and void..also there is no extended warranty being provided by Fiat..

folks, not having a extended warranty - is it a risk? would appreciate feedback from Palio / Petra owners

Thx!
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Hey Shan2unu, I had posted a write up on the Federal tyres before the site went down. i guess it got lost in the transition... anyway to summarize, im quite happy with the tyres in the wet, dry and slightly loose surfaces (go figure ;-) ) I also have federals on my zen, quite happy with those which is why i decided to go for them on the petra too. btw, i havent heard very good things about michelin and bridgestone tubeless tyres. heard of quite a few cases of side wall tearing...

Rudra, I was told by the folks at PFM Accessories (stanley subsidiary) in shamarao complex, bangalore that you could get a 2002/2003 design 14" * 6" wheels for about 6-6.5k. But then i havent got a formal quote.

Godbole, regarding foglamps i was also keen on getting them fitted to feed my fantasy of driving in the fog. the dealer and the service station gave me a VERY pricey offer. they say i need to change the bumper and have it painted (about 5k), get the lamps and brackets (about 3k), have it fitted and change the switch panel (2.5k). the dummy switch on the panel apptly cannot be made operational! at a total of over 10k, i decided to let my fantasy remain a fantasy ;-(

The better option is to have it done by some outside party. have them cut out a hole in the existing bumper, buy lamps and the brackets, fix a seperate toggle switch on the dash somewhere. ofcourse if they dont do a good job, the toggle switch and bumper cutting may end up looking very shoddy!!! Somebody has offered to do it for under 4k...

right now am going easy on all the spending on the car till some things in life become clearer ;-)
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After reading rahulmd's review, curiosity prompted me to check out the petra..the dealer in bangalore seemed quite eager and friendly at least during the initial visit and test drive --which lasted for a couple of hours..the car sort of grows on you..great perfoemance, excellent handling.. a little unsophisticated suspension, but none the less..a very good car given the 5.5 L price tag, anyways..i wanted electrically controlled rear view mirrors to be factory fitted and emailed Fiat chaps..after a couple of days I get guarded replies that it cant be done...fine..no problem I thought.. can I get them fitted at the dealer's workshop..no luck here too..the warranty becomes null and void..also there is no extended warranty being provided by Fiat..

folks, not having a extended warranty - is it a risk? would appreciate feedback from Palio / Petra owners

Thx!
nm!

Sundaram gave me the same crap when I asked them to fit an auto-cop (GTO says its useless, but still?).
They said Warranty of the car is void if I fit a auto cop, even at the dealer.

Then I said call off the deal, then they made me to talk to Fiat about it,
A regional manager sopke to me and sai "I am an employee of Fiat, and abide its policies. as per them warranty is void if the original wiring is altered. So no way I can help you iun this regard"

now I really pulled off the deal and booked a Ikon, 3 days later, Dealer called me and said they got the approval from fiat to fit it as a special permission and warranty is valid.

Today is my delivery!!
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