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Old 25th June 2008, 22:35   #16
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Khadoos, Bridgestone stock tires are crap, would suggest you to go for Michelins or Yokohama!
You will enjoy the Comfort, grip, braking etc.....!
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Khadoos, Bridgestone stock tires are crap, would suggest you to go for Michelins or Yokohama!
You will enjoy the Comfort, grip, braking etc.....!
they are b-250 and not s-322 which i agree are quite bad!

but are B-250 BAD AS WELL?
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Khadoos what Finney told is right.The B-250 are not you're cup of tea if you're into spirited driving or you really want to exploit the engine's potential.
The b-250 are made up of very hard rubber compound .They are buxlt to last,Period .My uncle's Verna is running on them.The tyres mwst have done about 30k and I am pretty sure they'll do another 30k.
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they are b-250 and not s-322 which i agree are quite bad!

but are B-250 BAD AS WELL?
They're not bad but then are not exceptional either. Have them on my Mom's i10 & they are quite noisy on rough surfaces. In conclusion, there are better tyres out there but if you're not a performance freak or a finicky driver then they'll serve you just fine.

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[They are buxlt to last,Period .My uncle's Verna is running on them.The tyres mwst have done about 30k and I am pretty sure they'll do another 30k.[/quote]
well, 60k on same pair of tyresthat should go down into record books!
yes i consider safety first, what i think is i will keep stock ones for few months or so and then go for alloys and tyres together! how does the idea sound?

i consider cooling my heels after damages worth 9.5lac
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They're not bad but then are not exceptional either. Have them on my Mom's i10 & they are quite noisy on rough surfaces. In conclusion, there are better tyres out there but if you're not a performance freak or a finicky driver then they'll serve you just fine.
i fail to understand the logic for such tires to be OE? and that too on most cars? BRIDGESTONE S322 is not a great tire anyways, then why is it preferred by most manufacturers ?

and i dont think it has anything to do with 'cost-cutting'!!!

as B-250 185/65 R 14 - RS. 3000/- PER TIRE

XM1 185/65 R 14 - RES.3300/- PER TIRE ( 23RD JUNE QUOTATION)
( YOU ALSO GET REEBOK SUNGLASS RS.1800 FREE OF U BUY 4)
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Sorry khadoos, this is not news. This is a simple fact that has been around as long as the Verna has been around. (Anywhere else, the verna is simply the new Hyundai Accent)

I bought a Verna CRDi in January 2007. At that time too, the top end Petrol model came with 185/65 tyres too - you got either Bridgestone or MRF, depending on your luck. There was no CRDi SX then - diesel was only a base model and that came with 175/70.
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They're not bad but then are not exceptional either. Have them on my Mom's i10 & they are quite noisy on rough surfaces. In conclusion, there are better tyres out there but if you're not a performance freak or a finicky driver then they'll serve you just fine.
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Sorry khadoos, this is not news. This is a simple fact that has been around as long as the Verna has been around. (Anywhere else, the verna is simply the new Hyundai Accent)

I bought a Verna CRDi in January 2007. At that time too, the top end Petrol model came with 185/65 tyres too - you got either Bridgestone or MRF, depending on your luck. There was no CRDi SX then - diesel was only a base model and that came with 175/70.
well did not know this! but when i went in october 2007 to buy verna then and SX i had checked out SX with 175/75 R 14 and when i enquired about 185/65 R 14 the guy told me that it only comes in top end petrol with alloys .
but may be i am wrong! but old or new.. its still news rite!!!

sir if u can help me out:- want sun film( 3M,V-COOL), wher in new mumbai area?
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well did not know this! but when i went in october 2007 to buy verna then and SX i had checked out SX with 175/75 R 14 and when i enquired about 185/65 R 14 the guy told me that it only comes in top end petrol with alloys .
but may be i am wrong! but old or new.. its still news rite!!!

sir if u can help me out:- want sun film( 3M,V-COOL), wher in new mumbai area?

You are wronged again , from the start of the SX model they have always come shod with 185/65/R14 and yes MRF or Bridgestone basedon your luck.

About the sun film do a search on teh forum and you will find an overwhelming amount of information on this....
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sir, yes i have the info about sun film!
the problem is from wher to find the shop from? in new mumbai area?
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i fail to understand the logic for such tires to be OE? and that too on most cars? BRIDGESTONE S322 is not a great tire anyways, then why is it preferred by most manufacturers ?

and i dont think it has anything to do with 'cost-cutting'!!!

as B-250 185/65 R 14 - RS. 3000/- PER TIRE

XM1 185/65 R 14 - RES.3300/- PER TIRE ( 23RD JUNE QUOTATION)
( YOU ALSO GET REEBOK SUNGLASS RS.1800 FREE OF U BUY 4)
The reason is just that, Cost. You see when Companies do deal with Tyre manufacturers, they don't buy 4 or 8 pieces, they buy in thousands/lakhs of pieces so the prices they get are nowhere close to the retail prices that me & you get.

In this large scale sourcing unfortunately for most companies in India or anywhere else for that matter, cheapest is best. So they take the cheapest tyres available (Mind you a certain quality standard still needs to be met though) and fit them on. After all their business is to make money not give you the best quality tyres.

For companies like Bridgestone/Goodyear/MRF that is a golden opportunity as they can supply tyres of outdated design produced in plants that are already free (Due to depriciation benefit availed by the company for donkey's years!) and maximise their profit & volumes! Minimal investment in new plants, moulds, machinery & R&D required.
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The reason is just that, Cost. You see when Companies do deal with Tyre manufacturers, they don't buy 4 or 8 pieces, they buy in thousands/lakhs of pieces so the prices they get are nowhere close to the retail prices that me & you get.

In this large scale sourcing unfortunately for most companies in India or anywhere else for that matter, cheapest is best. So they take the cheapest tyres available (Mind you a certain quality standard still needs to be met though) and fit them on. After all their business is to make money not give you the best quality tyres.

For companies like Bridgestone/Goodyear/MRF that is a golden opportunity as they can supply tyres of outdated design produced in plants that are already free (Due to depriciation benefit availed by the company for donkey's years!) and maximise their profit & volumes! Minimal investment in new plants, moulds, machinery & R&D required.
you explained it perfectly!i totally agree!!

though i have few more points to discuss:-

1) why cant these companies tie up with better companies, i am sure mitchelin wont say no as it is business after all!

2) dont the company have specialists and experts to weigh all these points and come out with solutions?

or you mean to say major lot doesnt bother about which tires they are riding on........only we BHPians are bothered about terms like safety and comfort ?
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1) why cant these companies tie up with better companies, i am sure mitchelin wont say no as it is business after all!
No one wants to let go of this large scale business but the problem is most global giants (Except Bridgestone) don't yet have a manufacturing base in India & matching the prices offered by companies like BS/GY/MRF when you're importing your tyres & they are manufacturing there's here is almost impossible.

Car makers don't want more expensive tyres to fit as OE & tyre companies don't want to take a loss on such large volume orders.

Obvious solution you would say is for the companies to set up plant here but it's a Chicken & Egg situation, for setting up a plant you need to have a certain volume of sales & to achieve that in our market (especially with the large OE business) you need to have OE sales! So which comes first? The Chicken or the Egg?

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2) dont the company have specialists and experts to weigh all these points and come out with solutions?
They do and that's where my comment on minimum quality standards come in. They do have quality standards but technical testing facilities in India are few & far between, litigation is a slow & cumbersome process (I doubt you can have a mass tyre recall ala Firestone in the US in India under the current situation) and so companies get away with fitting slightly lower quality stuff also. And like most other companies in the Auto sector here too, the final decision does not lie with the engineers but with the bean counters aka Accountants.

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or you mean to say major lot doesnt bother about which tires they are riding on........only we BHPians are bothered about terms like safety and comfort ?
Yes, that's a fact, for the common man a tyre is a round, black piece of rubber that he needs to replace when it goes or is about to go bust. He doesn't care about what is better quality, upsizing etc. For him it's an expense which he wants to be as least as possible.
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@Khados_baby ( thread starter ):

I am not sure about the B-250, but our Baleno VXi came with S-322 and they are nothing but damm insufficient for this car.
I have observed this with verna aslo. Recently my friend upgraded from Accent 1.5 Gls to Verna. He too is not satisfied.


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Khadoos, Bridgestone stock tires are crap, would suggest you to go for Michelins or Yokohama!
You will enjoy the Comfort, grip, braking etc.....!
I doubt Michelins wet road grip. Goodyear is better.
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well i dont know abt that, but when i checked other verna cars in showroom, they had 175/70

so i guess it is only for top-end ie. SX!

MOREOVER, IT WAS VERY PLEASING TO SEE THAT ATLEAST TOP-END VERSION COMES WITH WHEEL CAPcheers:
Hey khadoos baby,

Congrats on your new car. Well, the 185 is not only for the top end model as i got Verna CRDi+ABS last month and it too came with the 185/60R14 Bridgestone, but i got the upsize done to 195/60R14 Protenza done. All Verna's come with standard 185/60R14 fittment these days.

I guess Hyundai is taking the feedback on verna's from Team-Bhp seriously these days and trying to improve the car.

Regards,
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