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Old 26th August 2008, 15:29   #136
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If the test drive (hopefully today evening) satisfies me, i am booking it this week (20000/- booking amount "as of now"). Since the torque figures look better than that of Swift DDIS and Palio MJD, I am sure driving the Vista Quadrajet would be piece of cake!
Hey CtrlAltDel, as per your TD report you are impressed with the new levels of quality in Vista. So whats the decision on your purchase?
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My q is what will be the correct tyre size upgrade for Vista Aura?
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Looks like Tata has a winner on its hands if they can get the quality right in volume production. A Vista CS with the Quadrajet in 90 Bhp tune and Airbags/ABS at less than 6.5 on road will practically kill everything in the 5-7.5 range.
Isnt it too early to talk about Vista CS. Lets not forget that Vista is 120mm longer then V2 and just 193mm shoter then Indigo CS. So I dont think they will be able to get a CS out of Vista (So no excise benifit on less then 4000mm length).
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My q is what will be the correct tyre size upgrade for Vista Aura?
The OE tyres look puny, more so on alloys. This is a big car and anything less than 195 would look undersized IMO.
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well the new indica cockpit assembly is going to be here the plant is in chinchwad just ahead of ksb chowk.it is a JIS (just in sequence) plant-wherein the inward material will not be checked for OK parts and REJECT parts and directly taken on the line for assembly! guys all other major car manufacturing companies are truly JIS in other countries-by implementing such a plant the vendors have NO room for error in its supplies!-its a good sign for the progress of Indian quality that such a step is taken. it is an approx. 10 acre plant-its seriously huge.relative allowed me to take pics but not for a long time. hope you like them.

as i had posted earlier a VCR (very close relative) of mine works for TML had taken me there and i took some pics-enjoy!

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Isnt it too early to talk about Vista CS. Lets not forget that Vista is 120mm longer then V2 and just 193mm shoter then Indigo CS. So I dont think they will be able to get a CS out of Vista (So no excise benifit on less then 4000mm length).

Possibly a bit early, but then we can dream, cant we? I would imagine that they can do a design similar to the Octavia where the boot and the rear glass open together. That would free up the much needed boot space.
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I just received the scanned price list from one of my friends. Attaching the same.
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I think people should not buy without the ABS and/or airbag. They have not learnt anything from Hyundai i10 success. A car can be marketted much better with extra equipments. People buy those equipments or not is a different thing altogether, but that generates enough hype.
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I think people should not buy without the ABS and/or airbag.
Sorry, I don't get your point. Why should a person not buy without ABS/Airbags if that is what they want to do or that is the best they can afford?

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A car can be marketted much better with extra equipments. People buy those equipments or not is a different thing altogether, but that generates enough hype.
Here you seem to contradict your earlier statement that people should not buy the car if it doesn't have airbags.

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The OE tyres look puny, more so on alloys. This is a big car and anything less than 195 would look undersized IMO.
I agree. It would look and handle better with wider tires and also 15 inchers. The gap between the tire and wheel arches is greatly improved from the V2 but it still is noticeable and looks odd, at least to me. I think they might have been designed for 15 inch wheels and i have a feeling that is what Tata is going to sell in Europe.

Question: What would be the impact of upgrading to 15 inchers on such a car? Would it void the company warranty? Any safety issues? What about the fuel-efficiency?

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Sorry, I don't get your point. Why should a person not buy without ABS/Airbags if that is what they want to do or that is the best they can afford?
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I guess what opendro is saying is that the car has to be purchased only if it has ABS/Airbags.
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IIRC there was an article here saying Tata was working on putting in ABS?Airbags, and that they'd be here in 6 months or so
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Thumbs up Tata Indica Vista - My Review

Folks,

I'm an individual that used an Indica DLS for a little lesser than 3 years and very satisfied by it. I sold it just a month back deciding against getting it to Bangalore [from Chennai]. I'm probably going to compare the Vista to my previous car since it comes from the same stable, only to give an idea of how much Tata has progressed with its car manufacturing efforts.

Before you proceed, please retain in your mind that I am reviewing a New car from Tata and that's it. Never mind what it is called or the platform it replaces and what not.. Let's just called it Vista and nothing else, for the purpose of this review.

Yesterday, I had the opportunity to look at the new Vista and also test drive it at Concorde Motors that is near Diary Circle opposite to Christ college, Bangalore. I took with me a colleague and my boss, so I could review the car objectively, and to ensure I don't take a liking towards it, biased-ly [I owned an Indica DLS until end of July '08). The colleague I took with me, Sreenivas, is also a member in this forum.

We reached Concorde Motors by around 2.45pm. We decided to check the car inside the showroom before we took a test drive..

First Look: The look of the car from a full frontal view, blew us off. It didn't look like a hatchback car at all. Impressed. Credit should go to Tata for the car has a very mature and well built look to it, compared to the previous generation of hatchbacks that currently sells as the Indica.

We were given a demo of the car by a sales representative at the showroom, Ms. Sangeetha VM. She explained to us what we'd already read from the brochure, but gave her an ear to see if she'd known about the car, as much as she had to. She did a fairly good job in explaining what was new with the Vista.

Interior: A sea change from the previous car I owned. The central instrument cluster is NOT a distraction at all. All those members who are complaining of a pain in viewing it and giving it extended side glances, are probably over exaggerating [in my opinion only]. The cluster is not difficult to look at or read from, so there is no requirement for having to look at it for extended period that it becomes a danger to drive on the road. Really, how many of you look at the tachometer or Speedo to drive?

The seats were very comfortable and the height adjust is a boon. So is the adjustable Tilt steering. As soon as I got into the driverís seat, I felt very comfortable in a way I hadnít experienced in my previous car. Everything I had to reach to [handbrake, switches, power window, steering] fell comfortably in place.

Compared to my previous car [only], the quality of plastics seemed to have improved vastly. Itís what you call, a Sea Change. The dashboard quality was good and so was the steeringís and everything around it. Switches on the power window console seemed to be of poor or compromised make, but thatís where Tata heads to cut cost. Accepted. But the quality of console itself, is good.

The integrated two din audio device is not Alpine quality, of course, but it still looks a decent build. Plastic quality is just about ok [not extremely good] but it works fine. I did not carry any CDs or music devices to test the audio setup, but I got to listen to a radio channel throughout the test drive. Audio quality, through the built-in speakers, sounded decent and fairly ok. Itís not anywhere near the Alpine head unit and JBL speakers I had, but I can still live with the music through this.

Rear seat comfort gets better and space. The lesser said about it the better. Itís a no-contest when anyone discusses the space in a Tata car. The new Vista adds to the space previously available in the previous hatchback car, making it super-spacious. Seating 3 average sized adults in the backseat would only get better.

There is space on the floor gear console to hold 2 cups/bottles and a place for coins and mobile phones under the handbrake device. A nice touch, is adding a power charger unit, next to the right side of the rear seat. The sales executive was educated enough to inform us that this charger point could be to use a spotlight device for reading or for charging a laptop. Right on..

There is no provision for a sunglass holder [something increasingly being added to hatchback cars of late?] but I think I read somewhere that it can be added as an accessory.

Handles above the door are of an improved version. It is probably the same that is found on the Santro. It has a spring action which is different from the fixed handle that was in the previous Tata hatchback.
Glove box sure is deep and spacious, but I donít know if a 14.1Ē laptop can be fit into that space. Maybe it can, maybe not. I didnít try. The AC vents were really well designed and materials used were of good quality too. The switches and rotor dials for the AC were also of good quality and had a ĎI-wonít-come-offí feel to it. Overall, very good.

I am not sure If I have missed any interior bits from this review, but if I have, well, go check it out, or ask me. I may return with family to show them the car this Saturday or Sunday.

Engine & Gearbox: When Sreenivas turned the engine on, I was still waiting for him to do so. I was in the co drivers seat and I didnít hear the engine start. It is, in a very unbelievable way, silent. I say unbelievable, because Srini and I had just test driven the Palio MJD, and it was extremely noisy. The multijet was not so noisy on the swift, and it was on the Palio MJD. So, I was blown off by the silent operation of the Quadrajet. 5 stars to Tata for this.

Since my boss and Srini drove the car before I did [not well versed with bangy traffic, so no taking chances] I will state their observations. The gearbox did not have the rubbery feel my previous car had, and the gears slotted perfectly. No problems with the gearbox, except that both my boss and Sreenivas felt the gear was a bit hard. They also added that this could be due to the fact that the demo car is very new
[had just run 260 kms] and will get smoother in due time.
As for me, I found the gearbox excellent. No rubbery feel and slotted well. WowwieÖ What a relief.. Slotted perfectly fine.
Exterior: The tyres, I donít know if they are still puny for this car, but I am sure to upgrade to 15 inchers and a 190/60 or whatever is safe to do so. But, the stock tyres with 175/65 look adequate. 14 inchers do look small. Someone who has more knowledge on tyres can comment; I cannot.
Boot space is similar to the previous Tata hatchback, it is just a little more spacious, not a whole lot. The suspension struts [is that what it is?] seem to be protruding into the luggage bay again, so some precious space lost there, yet again. Crap. Someone mentioned the parcel tray quality has improved. It has. It feels more solid [but not so much that can hold oval speakers].
Tail lights. This has been debated, loved and hated by some and all here. I donít have any comments to add to it. To each one, his own. I certainly wonít reject the car because of the tail lights. I donít know if I would be right with this, but in foggy conditions, the highly placed stop brake lights would be a boon if not a requirement. So itís not silly it is designed this way [Yes, donít give me the Ďthere-is-an-led stop lampí thingy cause I know itís there too].
Btw, my colleagues and I agree the rear looks a lot like Ford Fusion. More well finished, Iíd say.
Overall, apart from the introductory comment that the car looks more mature than what it replaces [or continued alongside, whatever], it looks very well finished. Iíd join the others in stating that this car is nothing like that the previous Tata cars. Itís great.
Sreenivas even mentioned the suspension is great and comfortable in the short test drive we were allowed. He furthered his comment by saying the suspension was better than the setup in his SX4.
I did not try out the following features available on the top end Quadrajet we test drove, the Aura.
a. Rear Demister
b. Rear Wiper
c. Fog Lamps
Comments & Conclusion: The review may sound very positive and give a rosy picture of the Vista. To be honest, it is so. I have been absolutely unbiased in reviewing this car. Iím someone who has a budget of 6.3L for my next hatchback car [I donít need a sedan] and my eyes are [itís safe to say Ďwereí now] set on the Grande Punto. And itís the car Iíve been wanting to buy for over a year now.
Obviously, there are some negatives too, on the Vista.
1. The ORVMís are not electronically operated. You still need to use the rotor stick to move the glass to your suited position. A pain, more so now that almost all hatchbacks give an electronic controlled option. Just for ex: a Wagon R has it. Why Tata?
2. The ORVMís size is reduced. I donít know yet if this will be a problem in the long run, but length has been reduced, which outwardly seems a negative. Maybe itís done so breakage percentage reduces during ORVM clashes?
3. No alloy wheels as standard on a 5.69L car? I would have been happier to see alloys provided as a standard.
4. Door pockets size have been considerably reduced. I doubt if 2litre bottles can fit into them anymore. Itís not just good for some very small bottles or papers/magazines/maps.
5. No head rest for the center passenger in the back seat. It would have been nice if it was there. Itís not always that kids sit in between.
There may be more, but I canít think of more right now [over 24 hrs since the test drive, you see].
Sreenivas and I have been debating on how cheap the fully loaded version of Grande Punto might get here at. Now that Tata and Fiat have made an announcement that they will not compete in similar segments, I doubt a fully loaded GP will get here within 6.30 lakhsÖ and I wonít and cannot alter my budget. No mid of the line variants either.
The only downside to the Vista, is that for itís price, it does not even provide ABS. I am not in a hurry to buy and I hope Tata will release another Vista with ABS for about 25K more. If it comes, I will definitely consider buying it. I would like to see a version with ABS and front airbags for 6L on road, but I donít think that is a possibility. I know I will miss the Puntoís far swankier interiors and options, but I surely gain by buying the Vista. Itís that good a car. But Iím still going to wait as long as I can [only to see what else I can consider before Dec Ď08]. Maybe ABS and Airbags may be out by then and maybe I can afford some additional safety.
The Vista, is such a well rounded and complete car for a hatchback. I expected the top end to launch at 5.5L on road, but around 20K more, it doesnít hurt much.
Finally, to the one individual who commented that a price of 5.6x lakhs is too much for an IndicaÖ I bet you wouldnít say so if some Maruti Suzuki launched this car. Itís only because it is called an Indica, is why you draw such a comment to it. The car, is well worth itís price. Go take a 2nd look at Swift and rethink youíre statement [nothing personal. In the air comments do just no good]

My request is, when any of you go to check out the Vista, please do not look at it as an Indica or have a condescending outlook that it is a souped up taxi... Be objective and rate it as a New Car from Tata. Don't already judge it before you see it, just because it is continued to be called as an 'Indica' Vista.

My bossís final comments [he drives a Baleno]: I cannot believe this is a Tata car. It put a smile on our faces as we walked back to Sriniís car. Overall, we give a rating of 4.25 stars out of 5, for the Vista.
Kudos, Tata.

[note: me thinks an addition of K&N filter and a Peteís box makes the Vista a fantastic highway car]
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Isnt it too early to talk about Vista CS. Lets not forget that Vista is 120mm longer then V2 and just 193mm shoter then Indigo CS. So I dont think they will be able to get a CS out of Vista (So no excise benifit on less then 4000mm length).
Yea! Vista CS does not appear to be possible. How about a quadrajet CS?
May be it's my wishful thinking!
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Nice review by k_ajay.
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On Road prices costiest in Bangalore
On Road price of Swift (Bimal)
Vdi=6.02
Ldi=5.61
Vxi=5.20
Lxi=4.84
Zxi=6.23

Vista On Road price in Bangalore (Prerna Motors)
Vista Quadrajet
Aura = 5.69
Aqua = 5.41

Vista TDi
Aqua Tdi = 4.73
Terra Tdi = 4.57

Safire petrol
Terra =4.13
Aqua =4.40
Aura =4.69 L

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