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Old 2nd September 2008, 09:30   #301
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When i opened the door...
I was trying to hear the thud sound while closing the doors. I heard that sound but i have to close it hard (not in a gentle manner as we do in premium cars)
Ofcourse it will require some force, Vista is not a luxury premium car, where you just leave the door and it will get shut automatically. In any review, when we use adjactives, we always use them to highlight comparison withing segment or a segmnet above but not in a literal sense.

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And it the doors really felt weight less even the dicky door felt weight less.
When asked to a saleseman he replied back with Indica Vista body is of 1.1 MM metal and for Palio its 1.9/1.8 MM Metal.
Not sure about the metal thickness, but if it feels and acts sturdy that is good enough for me. Can I say Vista box is somewhere between tin box and Iron box
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Engine sound is minimal and lower than Palio MJD/Swift with same unit, that's good work by Tata.
Gear Box is C510 on Quadra and C510 STAR on Safire (both doing duty on GP in Europe). SAFIRE is FIRE engine with VVT from Fiat again.
TDi - powerplant as well as gearbox is TATA.

Yes, these are sort of produced by TATA as production is done at TATA/FIAT JV plant in Pune. But I am not sure about gearbox manufacturing site.

Safire has been reviewed to be very good car except for 'just adequate' power by Autocar India. Pick up lates issue or ask any questions you might have.

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Posting this Review on behalf of my bro as he cant post yet (newbie) his id is tarunmadhok

Even when all 4 windows (glasses) were down the engine sound was very minimal (good work Fiat).

Next thing i asked was the gear box is from fiat and he replied that the gear box has not been made by fiat and was made by Tata's itself (anyone can put some more light on this?).

I asked about Safire engine and gear box and he replied that safire Petrol engine was not from fiat but was a Tata produced and so was the gear box (can anyone share his views on this ?).

Ps.This TD was taken in Chandigarh
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Ritesh,
To answer a few of your questions:
1) The gear box in the Quadrajet and the Safire is from Fiat.
2) The Safire engine is again from Fiat.

Most dealer sales person have very limited knowledge and are semi- literate as far as automobiles are concerned. They mostly do not drive cars themselves and they are not well trained by the dealerships or the companies either. Very few join dealerships because they are car buffs ( dealerships do not pay very well).
The designs are from Fiat but are manufactured either at a jointly operated Tata-Fiat plant in Ranjangoan or from a Tata plant in Pune. Nothing comes manufactured completely by Fiat. So you might never get a standard answer.
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OK - i had a chance to RIP the new Quadra Vista APART on the GQ between Hosur - Krishnagiri.

Since this is Tbhp - let me make it simple...

1) Easily outbeats the DDIS in many fronts (1750 RPM factor wins hands down)
2) At 160+ I was ready for takeoff (Pun intended) - ride quality tho improved - CANNOT match swift's RACING TUNED suspension.
3) HUGE HUGE Interiors - LEG ROOM?? Beat that.. Swift!!
4) Panel GAPS - WOW, resembles a euro class car, (My CS, one can stick a finger into the panels)
5) Plastics - great, (still room for improvement)
6) Digi center console great change
7) Boot still the same, the cell charger socket a great thought for rear passengers
8) Engine bay looks tiny and compact - very clean engineering done here.

and....

9) If this comes with a boot (Aka CS) - I am selling my CS for this.
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If its 0-100 in 21.1 seconds as a certain report suggests, wonder why the Palio 1.1 Stile got panned for being underpowered !!
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Brief TD from BS Motoring.. Verdict is that it's a good city and highway car but not for a driving enthusiast.. will definitely give sleepless nights to Swift and definite death for the MJD (unless u are a die hard FIAT fan - me included)

Top Story - Hasta la Vista - Business Standard Motoring
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The Indica Quadrajet seems like the answer to swift Ds invasion. The Palio multijet should co-exist.

The only disadvantage for the TATAs and FIAT versus the SWIFT that I see here are the miserable TATA service versus the not so miserable MASS service.
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Tata service in Pune is not bad at all. I had a Indica for 5 years and never faced an issue with the service or spare part availability. I have a Wagon R as well and service is nothing great - adequate but nothing great.
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Tata service in Pune is not bad at all. I had a Indica for 5 years and never faced an issue with the service or spare part availability. I have a Wagon R as well and service is nothing great - adequate but nothing great.
I've had the exact opposite experience here in Chennai. The MASS service is miles ahead of the TATA / FIAT service.

here whether one buys a Safari or a Indica, one is treated like a taxiwalla at the station, no respect for individual, no respect for the vehicle etc.

I had to goto the GM, who focusses on sales and NOT on service - my 02 indica DLX caught fire due to their carelessness forcing me to sell the car after shelling out the replacement cost of the entire wiring harness.

I started getting niggling issues such as the CL not working or the PW stuck halfway etc etc.

Anyways, different people have different experiences
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've had the exact opposite experience here in Chennai. The MASS service is miles ahead of the TATA / FIAT service.
Touchwood, My Tata service experience has been blissful.
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here whether one buys a Safari or a Indica, one is treated like a taxiwalla at the station, no respect for individual, no respect for the vehicle etc.
My experience has been quite the opposite, in fact. I dont even have to go personally to the garage - for instance ASHVIN dropped off my truck yesterday and I co-ordinated all the service issues over phone from here.

I've had a great experience UNTIL my last service where they seem to have screwed up BIG time. The only saving grace was that they havent demanded payment for that last service and have offered to look into every issue and sort it out - which is why ASHVIN had go drop it off yesterday. I will pay only after my issues are sorted out.
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i have not had any bad experience with Tata A*S*S since the last five years. The staff at the service station are very polite and well informed. and in my regular service stn (Auto Chenoy, Sec'bad) I even get some things done free, without my asking!
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Default Quadrajet seems to be the improved version of 1.3 that is in Linea

I just compared the quadrajet in Vista (source Autocar India, Sep'08) and 1.3 MJD in Linea (source italiaspeed.com: FIAT LINEA and italiaspeed.com: FIAT LINEA)

Compression ratio: 17.6:1 (as against 18:1 in earlier 1.3 MJD)
Bore/Stroke: 69.6e/82mm
Peak torque at 1750rpm.
Gear ratios: 2nd=2.238, 3rd=1.444, 4th=1.029 and 5th=0.767.
Only the first gear is different from Linea. Vista has 1st=3.909, which is Linea's reverse gear ratio.

Of course, maximum torque an power are not same as the improved 1.3 MJD of Linea. Still, I consider this being more similar to Linea's (tweaked for less power) than Swifts DDiS. Not trying to point out anything here, but just an observation.
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When i opened the door...
I just opened the lock from inside and automatically it slided out.
It's actually helping me in opening the door :-)

I was trying to hear the thud sound while closing the doors. I heard that sound but i have to close it hard (not in a gentle manner as we do in premium cars)
I had experienced the best door closing only in BMW 7 series where you just leave it a feet back and it closes itself with a slight thud.

So ofcourse u cant compare VIsta with that or any Premium car and i must say in a hatchback it is really the best door closing i had experienced till now.

Does anyone has the Autocar review link?

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Autocar India reports that Tata is planning a hot hatch version of Vista in the near future. Not much details though.
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