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Old 30th May 2005, 12:55   #91
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Well the conclusions that seems to be emerging out of all these discussions is that:
1. Swift is NOT underpowerd
2. Swift is MORE fun to drive than an Esteem
3. Swift performance nearly the same as Ikon 1.6/GTX 1.6 IF NOT BETTER.

So in 4 lacs if you are getting this much with added Safety and Maruti Backup, whats there to complain??
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Old 30th May 2005, 13:07   #92
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A 'victory' on the streets is for real, since its then about driver skills and not the machinary you own.
If you consider beating a powerful car stuck in traffic and having to worry about people crossing the road......a victory, then be it.

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Old 30th May 2005, 13:19   #93
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The Swift looks preety neat...87 bhp should be fine for a city runabout..i mean, thats preety much what its gonna be used for, and i like the fact that its a "K-cup" car...it looks really tossable on the track. It has a lot of features for the price, im looking forward to testing it out . From what i heard and read on here..that 1.3l engine has plenty of mods that can be done, so u got that aspect if anyone wants to improve on engine performance.
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Old 30th May 2005, 13:24   #94
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just look to this for inspiration:

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Guys, Yup, it seems that if maruti wud have used this pic in their ads a lot more ppl wud hsave been rushing to the booking counters .... though very soon im sure v'll b seeing this look on the rally circuit as well. Though personally I feel its no where close to the 1.6 GTX .. so who ever suggested that --- THINK AGAIN !!! the GTX is in a league of its own .. though I wud lev to hear a write up on the possible mods that cud be done on this machine ... I guess ill go start a thread in mod section on that...

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..... but, aren't slower, less powerful car owners supposed to be better drivers?

What he's talking about is very subjective. U can't brand someone as a bad driver just bcoz he likes poweful cars.

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Shan, again you're reading too much into what I wrote! Firstly, all I said was that a so called underpowered car need not mean it is a bad car to drive or its real world performance is any less than the cars with higher output figures. A car with a bit less power may be a whole lot more fun to drive and even faster that another car with more power. Look beyond the paper figures.

Secondly, my drawing reference to the Astra was not to talk about driving skill, but simply to drive the above mentioned point across. I don't recall mentioning anything about not liking more power or accusing drivers of more powerful cars as bad! C'mon man, lets be a little more sensible with the arguments!

If you look at your posts on the Swift, they are mainly to do with its output figure, its 0-60/100 times and thats about it. There is more to a car than that. And that is the ONLY point I am trying to make here!
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i just read the Swift GTi edition is supposed to get the 1.6l engine making north of 100hp (that probably wont come to india for sometime or it would degraded or something)...how far can the esteem 1.3l engine be taken??? i think 115-120hp is enough for this car in terms of max power, would make it oodles of fun on the street. The standard features is whats impt..and even the top of the line version is not that expensive.
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I wrote! Firstly, all I said was that a so called underpowered car need not mean it is a bad car to drive or its real world performance is any less than the cars with higher output figures.
The thing is that you guys haven't understood my point. I never said the Swift is a bad car. I just said that i preffer the 1.6 ltr version. Why have just handling when you can have power and handling.

I was comparing the Swift 1.3 to the Swift 1.6 and not the Palio 1.6 or any other car.

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If you look at your posts on the Swift, they are mainly to do with its output figure, its 0-60/100 times and thats about it. There is more to a car than that. And that is the ONLY point I am trying to make here!
Same story again, between the Swift 1.3 and the Swift 1.6, there's no freakin doubt that the Swift 1.6 is going to be more worh it, in terms of driving pleasure.

U can go through my posts again. I've never compared the Swift with another car. It's always been Swift 1.3 vs Swift 1.6.

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Shan...all of ur points are valid..but most people that are gonna be buying this car, arent going to be enthusiasts, like u and me. They are going to be people upgrading from 800's or Zen's...to use for comuting and what not..and for that, its perfectly fine. Im sure it can be upgraded for some major track stuff (see the rally version for an example ). Car looks like a perfect city runabout...and maybe for some short distance trips too. Hang on a second...is a sound system not standard in the Swift???? cause i'll be mighty pissed if it isnt
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There is more to a car than that. And that is the ONLY point I am trying to make here!
Yeah dude...dats tellin 'im.
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The thing is that you guys haven't understood my point. I never said the Swift is a bad car.

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I'm confused, because this is what you said yesterday:

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Hey, has the Swift been launched with a 1.6 ltr version? If not, then i'll have to postpone my test drive until that comes. Who wantsto drive a 87bhp car man!!!

0-100 in 12.9 sheesh!!!

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You never said it was a bad car in as many words, but with words like those quoted above people are bound to think thats what you meant.
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You never said it was a bad car in as many words, but with words like that people are bound to think thats what you meant.
In what way is that bad? Did i say, it's hopeless or that it's worth buying a 77bhp NHC over the Swift?

I just said i'm going to wait for the 1.6. I never said the 1.3 is bad, i just said the 1.6 is better.

If you got the wrong message then i can't help that bcoz i've never mentioned the word "Bad" anywhere.

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If you got the wrong message then i can't help that bcoz i've never mentioned the word "Bad" anywhere.

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I did mention that you havent said so in as many words. Individual words put together convey more than the sum of their meanings and sometimes convey something else altogether.

What I meant is that you should use words in moderation if you dont want to convey an extreme view, and you ARE a moderator...
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What I meant is that you should use words in moderation if you dont want to convey an extreme view, and you ARE a moderator...
What was so extreme about that? The Swift 1.6 is the better car here. It's plain and simple.

Did you expect me to say that the 1.3 is as good as the 1.6? Sorry but that is not how it is.

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The thing is that you guys haven't understood my point. I never said the Swift is a bad car. I just said that i preffer the 1.6 ltr version. Why have just handling when you can have power and handling.

Same story again, between the Swift 1.3 and the Swift 1.6, there's no freakin doubt that the Swift 1.6 is going to be more worh it, in terms of driving pleasure.

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Ok, then I guess I misread the earlier posts. I agree with you 100% on the point above.

I don't get why Maruti can't launch the Belano engined 1.6 at the same time as the 1.3L, it won't cost them anything as the engine is already produced here. Maybe they are scared of what happened with Fiat and the Palio, which gained a name for is lousy FE with the 1.6GTX.
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