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Old 10th September 2009, 12:38   #46
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Folks, crossed the 3000kms - 85% city bumper to bumper traffic, 15% outstation trips. 100% AC.

Diesel filled Rs 9410/-, @ 37.01/litre, 254.26 litres.

Kms at last fill 2990. FE = 2990/254.26 = 11.76 kms/litre.

Includes careful initial run period till 1500 km.

Expecting FE to improve in future.
Very Good FE.
My Brother's Verna Manual got around 12 kmpl in Chennai City.
IMO,Being a Diesel auto tranny,More than 10 kmpl economical.
Enjoy and Drive Safe
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If only we had an i10 A/T 1.5 turbo diesel with VGT !!

A bit OT, but I rarely find normal price range A/T cars plying here in Kolkata, except a few Honda city/civic. I believe that is partially due to availability of drivers at lower monthly salary compared to other metros.

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thanks aks_karthik, blackasta for the good wishes.

I think the 110 diesel 1.1 Liter with AT is planned. Will checkup. Hope the 1.1L diesel makes its way to india soon.
Small diesel with AT would be a good choice for city driving. The fiat engine - 1.3multijet in use in several cars - with AT would be good too. Hope maruti and tata are listening.

Lack of a diesel hatch with an autobox in the market is frustrating. The i20 has no diesel autobox worldwide yet.

The other small things in diesel for a good FE are a slow warmup of the engine block before higher speed driving, longer drives(even in the city), engine loading. Diesels perform more efficiently with load.
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Default Update on the verna AT - 6K kms+

3000 Kms - A few niggles - brake squeal.

I noticed a grating sound on reversing out of the
parking spot in the morning.

Initially, did not give much attention as it would often
disappear after the initial startup period.
Noticed that it was a daily routine - this grating
metallic sound. Was always present on startup. Asked
my wife to hear it out. Was present and noticeable in
the early mornings while reversing and turning to the
right or just reversing straight.

Soon contacted hyundai service who asked me to bring
the car to the workshop.

At Hyundai service.

The service advisor was skeptical and dismissed it as
a minor issue. I requested him to take the car to the
pit and have a more detailed look.
After waiting in for an hour or so he came back with
the explanation. 'This car has rear disk brakes. The
brakes are making the grating sound on application
while reversing due to dust accumulation. A cleaning
will solve the problem'

After 'cleaning' I picked up the car. After use for a week
I called the Hyundai service and reported that problem
persisted. They asked to bring the car again but I
could not for about a month due to work pressure.

Registering the problem with Hyundai customer
service. . .

Meanwhile I shot off a letter to Hyundai at chennai
explaining the problem and requesting a solution.
They requested me to contact the main workshop of
the hyundai service for a solution.

Progress so far...

Two visits to the main workshop of hyundai service,
meeting with service manager, service advisors,
writing to hyundai customer care at chennai have left
me convinced that there is no solution except
probably usage of the car and time.

Explanation so far ...

There is brake squeal from the disk brakes on cold
start. Warming up reduces or eliminates the brake
squeal. Wear and tear from usage of the brakes with
time will reduce the squeal. Active repair/repolishing
of the brakes is not advisable.

Current situation - 6K+ Kms.

Situation on brake squeal persists. However, no
apparent effect on brake performance. Under
continued observation.

3000 - 6000+ Kms update - driving.

The AT shift action is smoother and less jerky. Turbo
lag is not so prominent.
From about 5K kms onwards the AT shift is hardly felt
and smooth steady pickups are routine.

The turbo lag is the only blot in city driving. If the
rpm can be maintained at a steady 1500, the motor is at the
lower end of the power band and lag is not pronounced.

Auto AC a boon in the city. Use it all the time.
Try to avoid the diesel, gas fumes while driving.
Useful temp range of 22-24 deg C is well maintained by the unit.
No real performance drop in the car on switching on the AC.
Consider it one of the two best points of the car(the
other is the AT).

Two small improvements in user experience.

1) The ashtay purchased from hyundai service. Requires preorder.
I use it to keep loose change. Not as an ashtray.
Tidy appearance of the central console. Photo attached.

2) Custom made 18 inch x 18 inch firm cushion for
the drive seat. Elevates driver and improves visibility.
Length of cushion - 18inches - also helps to provide
underthigh support. Photo attached.

Inter city driving

Great performance and a pleasure to drive on the
highway. There is always torque on tap from the
motor. The AT is always responsive and kickdowns
are a pleasure. No need for gear shifting so one can
concentrate on the driving - sheer pleasure.

Drove bangalore to chennai and back on the GQ.

360kms each way. GQ a wonderful experience with
scenic views, little traffic and wide sweeps of road. I
do hope the GQs will continue to be maintained this
way.

Keeping the car cruising at 120kph is non issue on the
GQ. Very little left to overtake as the torque on tap is
addictive and speeds upto 140kph are easy. Did not
try to go any higher as was unsure on the safety
front. The car felt it could keep going quicker but did
not try.

The front heavy nature of the diesel motor meant
that straights were easier than the curved sections.
However, the handling is not as bad mentioned in
several posts.

On the return, there was heavy rain from chennai to
vellore and again the sure footedness, sharp
responsive brakes and superb torque made driving a
pleasure. Water logged sections are not a problem
and can be tackled at high speed, if required.
However, it may not be advisable in view of the haphazard
traffic.

Photos of trip are attached.

1) Sunny day with tollbooth on the GQ - bangalore - chennai.

2) Rainy day on the GQ with a view of the golden temple near
vellore in the foreground. chennai - bangalore.

3) Scenic views on the GQ.


6000+ Kms update.

The car is mainly used for city driving. No other
niggles or problems. Trouble free, smooth silent
comfortable drive.

However, the 100+ horses are always striving for an
intercity trip for a great drive and sheer pleasure ...
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I noticed a grating sound on reversing out of the
parking spot in the morning.

Initially, did not give much attention as it would often
disappear after the initial startup period.
Noticed that it was a daily routine - this grating
metallic sound. Was always present on startup. Asked
my wife to hear it out. Was present and noticeable in
the early mornings while reversing and turning to the
right or just reversing straight.
Do you use the handbrake when parking overnight? Some other members had reported a similar problem. IIRC, the diagnosis stated that the handbrake was not releasing entirely when the car was cold.
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Old 20th December 2009, 11:28   #51
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@GTO

Thanks for the suggestion.

I use the parking brake as there is slight slope at my parking spot.

Need to check whether the handbrake is not releasing entirely when the car is cold.

Will try for a week and report on the issue.

Meanwhile the suggestion from the hyundai service to pump the brakes a few times at cold start seems to reduce but has not eliminated the squeal.
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Any further updates keepitsimple and others. Has the grating/ metallic sound issue been resolved? Have you been able to locate a user manual for the automatic transmission feature? Awaiting your feedback.

I may be booking a Verna AT today.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sedans...ltis-mt-2.html (Debating between Verna AT and Corolla Altis MT)

The Maruti SX4 website has an interactive feature for its automatic transmission that portrays "2" to be used for climbing and "L" to be used for descents. Would it be the same for the Verna AT too?

Maruti Suzuki SX4 - Low Band Site -Technology
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Any further updates keepitsimple and others. Has the grating/ metallic sound issue been resolved? Have you been able to locate a user manual for the automatic transmission feature? Awaiting your feedback.

I may be booking a Verna AT today.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sedans...ltis-mt-2.html (Debating between Verna AT and Corolla Altis MT)

The Maruti SX4 website has an interactive feature for its automatic transmission that portrays "2" to be used for climbing and "L" to be used for descents. Would it be the same for the Verna AT too?

Maruti Suzuki SX4 - Low Band Site -Technology
@Dr.L.Murugan,

Thank you. Happy to know you are considering a verna AT.

The verna AT now comes with rear drums as the rear disk brakes have been discontinued.

Tripmeter function from trip A/B to a single trip indication 'trip' is now the current situation.

Distance to empty is only a guide and will stop displaying when distance to empty is less than 50kms.

The grating/metallic sound from rear disk brakes has reduced considerably since the suggestion to pump the brakes slowly and firmly on cold start.

A fresh squeaking sound from front disks has started since the last update - not resolved yet.

However, no noticable effect on braking performance.

Service Update

Last week, at 7200 + few kms , i turned in the car to trident hyundai for the second service.

Explained the situation on the sounds from the front and rear brakes.

The car was returned in the evening with no noticable changes.

Further, cleaning was poor and service advisor seemed to be keen on selling me a 'power booster' and other similar non standard products/services.

I plan to take up with trident hyundai in the coming week.

No other issues at the second service at 7200kms.

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Itemised bill for the 2nd free service is as follows:

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hyundai engine oil D 5.30 litres Rs 989.35

consumables Rs 98.13

Filter cartridge Rs 1309.5

Filter air cleaner Rs 329.95

Service kit - oil filter Rs 307.27

Vat @ 12.5% Rs 379.28
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Total Rs 3413.51

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I request the forum members to please enlighten me on the intervals required for (a) oil change, (b) oil filter change, (c) fuel filter change, (d) air filter change for the verna diesel.

Usage of '2' and 'L' modes

@Dr.L.Murugan - your mention on the usage of '2' and 'L' modes while driving the AT.

I initially tried all the modes in different situations and have now come around to the conclusion that the 'D' mode does all the jobs required by the transmission on tap.

All other modes except reverse are rarely required in daily usage and on level highways.

If you are planning a trip with a lot of hill climbs and ghat sections the '2' and 'L' modes may be useful in a few situations. No personal experience however.

The ready torque on tap in verna motor means that these modes are rarely required.

Verna AT vs the corolla MT

The verna AT shines in effortless city driving vs the corolla manual transmission when self driven.

If you plan to use a driver and your usage is not extensive through the year you seriously need to consider the corolla.

The corolla is a segment higher with greater interior room, more features, back seat comfort and probably lower service costs with a petrol motor.

@Dr.L.Murugan - good luck to you !
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@keepitsimple -
Your service manual and/or a detailed board put up at the hyundai service center should have a proper listing of intervals at which all the mentioned consumables are to be changed. For the verna diesel, all those things should be changed at 10k. Engine oil as always can be changed as per your will.
I dont like the engine oil that hyundai provides, and shifted to delvac mx for my verna crdi. Works like a charm and the car is visibly quieter and smoother.
I had issues with hmp chennai and shifted to the other service center. I would suggest you do the same. I used to have that squeaking noise or whatever from the rear during braking as well. Persisted for sometime, and after a few rubs with sand paper on the discs (this was done by the hmp guys) and a lot of heavy braking by me the noise went away over time.
Now the problem I"m facing is that my discs are getting warped ( i think), and I am starting to get vibration in the steering when I brake at high speeds.
If your current service station is not helping, shift to a more reliable place. Have your complete brake setup checked. Escalate the issue from the service adviser to the service manager, because brakes issues are a safety concern.
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@keepitsimple -
Your service manual and/or a detailed board put up at the hyundai service center should have a proper listing of intervals at which all the mentioned consumables are to be changed. For the verna diesel, all those things should be changed at 10k. Engine oil as always can be changed as per your will.
I dont like the engine oil that hyundai provides, and shifted to delvac mx for my verna crdi. Works like a charm and the car is visibly quieter and smoother.
I had issues with hmp chennai and shifted to the other service center. I would suggest you do the same. I used to have that squeaking noise or whatever from the rear during braking as well. Persisted for sometime, and after a few rubs with sand paper on the discs (this was done by the hmp guys) and a lot of heavy braking by me the noise went away over time.
Now the problem I"m facing is that my discs are getting warped ( i think), and I am starting to get vibration in the steering when I brake at high speeds.
If your current service station is not helping, shift to a more reliable place. Have your complete brake setup checked. Escalate the issue from the service adviser to the service manager, because brakes issues are a safety concern.
@pras.oct25

thanks for the feedback. will escalate the matter to hyundai at chennai as suggested.

what you have mentioned about the disks getting warped is worrisome.

i need to get this sorted out at the earliest. thanks again.
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The grating/metallic sound from rear disk brakes has reduced considerably since the suggestion to pump the brakes slowly and firmly on cold start.

A fresh squeaking sound from front disks has started since the last update - not resolved yet.
Thanks for all the feedback Dr.KeepItSimple! All those noises from the brakes are worrying. Have you heard whether this happens only in AT versions (or only on your car very unfortunately) or on the manual diesel/petrol Vernas too?

The problems faced by you and a few other concerns (as seen on my post elsewhere http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/sedans...ltis-mt-2.html (Debating between Verna AT and Corolla Altis MT) ) may make me favor the Corolla Altis over the Verna AT. Thanks once again for your feedback which has helped me so much.
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Hi. Not heard from you for a long time. Everything ok with your car? Just wanted to know, is the steering HPS or EPS? Due to my driving conditions of 100% in City Traffic, i have been really happy with my i10 AT's EPS. Just want to know if the Verna AT has the same steering. Thanks.
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@pras.oct25

thanks for the feedback. will escalate the matter to hyundai at chennai as suggested.

what you have mentioned about the disks getting warped is worrisome.

i need to get this sorted out at the earliest. thanks again.
I had a similar problem with my manual- when starting in the morning and moving, a loud click when the wheels moved as if the brakes were jammed or something. It got resolved after the service, dunno what it was really about!
BTW for interiors you need to keep cleaning well- check the pics on my thread, have made sure the interiors are as clean as possible!
What surprises me is this , people talk so much about the bad handling, bland interiors etc of the verna- well that is the SAME with A/T or manual!
What do you feel about the ride quality, the handling, the steering response?
I found the steering very apt for city traffic, light and easy to use, the ride adequate for sedate driving.
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@keepitsimple: Thank you for the very informative thread. I could not find any other thread about Verna CRDi AT ownership experience. I would very much like to hear how is the car doing now, you have probably done 10k kms by now. Unfortunately even now we dont have any other diesel automatic in the ~10Lakh price range (including even hatchbacks like Punto/i20)

Is Hyundai not giving driver seat height adjustment with CRDI AT? (saw that you are using a cushion to increase height)
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