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Old 15th August 2009, 20:00   #46
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I already have a Scorpio so diesel was a no no for me. As confirmed by other members like karthik there is groaning noise at high speeds which is irritating the occupants unless you get some expensive noise cancellation coating done.

These are the calculations i did while buying my car and for me buying a MJD was a foolish move for me so changed to fire Linea even though fiat is a pioneer in diesel engines. I will share my calcs with you guys as i do with others in a dilemma whether to go for a diesel or petrol Linea

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Now here are some rough calculations from my side :
1000km/11 (fe of petrol)= 91 litres
monthly fuel costs = 91*51 = 4641 rs

1000 km/16 (fe of diesel)= 63 (Many people are getting fe around 14-16 in city)
monthly fuel costs = 63*37 = 2331

Money saved per month = 2310 rs.
Bangalore EX showroom petrol emotion pack= 726000 amd diesel E+ costs = 837000
Diff between disel and petrol Lineas price = 111000 ( ex showroom price, OTR diff might be even more)
Now monthly savings on Diesel 2310 rs
Time taken to recover extra money paid on diesel = 111000/2310 = 48 months which means 4 years + and by that time you will be ready to sell the car, have not even added INTEREST on 1 lac for 6 years and the recovery time goes even higher, agree resale of multijet is higher than Petrol Linea but that interest 10.50 % FD on 1.10 lakh for 4 years will offset the less resale of petrol , also diesel cars have a bit more expensive maintenance than petrols.
Eg fuel filter of petrol Linea is of 225 while diesel of 1000, fuel pump petrol 2500 diesel 6500.

If you intend to keep car longer than 5 years or running is more than 1500 then only buy diesel otherwise it doesnt makes sense to buy diesel just for the sake that diesel is cheaper by 10-12 compared to petrol at the bunk.

MJD owners, hows the clutch of your car? Is it heavier compared to petrol linea if you have TD one.

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Nice calculation coolboy. However, in my personal opinion, after buying a car, I do not want to recover the money. An automobile from all economical points of view is nothing but a "not very wise" investment, due to regular expenses involved. For me, it is more the comfort of mind while topping up diesel which I might think twice, in case of petrol. It is that POV alone that makes me choose diesel over petrol. Although, for car buyers who want their "investment" to be complete value for money, your calculations make absolute sense.
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For me, it is more the comfort of mind while topping up diesel which I might think twice, in case of petrol. It is that POV alone that makes me choose diesel over petrol. Although, for car buyers who want their "investment" to be complete value for money, your calculations make absolute sense.
When i think that am paying so much for petrol and IF dad comments on the expensive petrol, i bring solace to my mind that i am currently spending more from the 1 lakh saved that i invested in stock markets+ gain from rising stock markets
My mind is like that only, too much of calcs and finally decision made.

For eg my Scorpio costs 2.50/km and Linea around 3.50 km/l, sometimes it does pinch.

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Today I have got the Nitrogen gas filled in My Linea's tyres. Its just a gas that they fill in after removing all the air in your tubless tyres.

Well after filling Nitrogen, I could feel more smoothness in the drive. The Car has become very light in running. The Tyre shop owner told me that if your tyres doesnt meet any puncture then you dont need to top up untill next 6 months. This is amazing . No standing up in ques for Air pressure checkup after Fueling the car.

I paid Rs 100 for 4 tyres. and Top up will just cost Rs 20 for all tyres.
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Today I have got the Nitrogen gas filled in My Linea's tyres. Its just a gas that they fill in after removing all the air in your tubless tyres.

Well after filling Nitrogen, I could feel more smoothness in the drive. The Car has become very light in running. The Tyre shop owner told me that if your tyres doesnt meet any puncture then you dont need to top up untill next 6 months. This is amazing . No standing up in ques for Air pressure checkup after Fueling the car.

I paid Rs 100 for 4 tyres. and Top up will just cost Rs 20 for all tyres.
Sachin, do you feel any reduction in tyre noise ?
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Today I have got the Nitrogen gas filled in My Linea's tyres. Its just a gas that they fill in after removing all the air in your tubless tyres.

Well after filling Nitrogen, I could feel more smoothness in the drive. The Car has become very light in running. The Tyre shop owner told me that if your tyres doesnt meet any puncture then you dont need to top up untill next 6 months. This is amazing . No standing up in ques for Air pressure checkup after Fueling the car.

I paid Rs 100 for 4 tyres. and Top up will just cost Rs 20 for all tyres.
Well, in normal air there are 78% nitrogen, So, by adding another 22% will not make much difference. (I believe so)

Yes, If we flow Helium (lighter than air), then we might feel the lightness and reduction in friction (most of the olympic bicycles are havig helium in their wheels).
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Sachin, do you feel any reduction in tyre noise ?
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to be frank Bnzjon I have never been able make out any tyre noise since my purchase (May be I dont have very thin ears ). So I wont be able to answer you that.

Well definatley the car has gone much smoother then before. Its just Rs 100 for 4 tyre one must try.
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Today I have got the Nitrogen gas filled in My Linea's tyres. Its just a gas that they fill in after removing all the air in your tubless tyres.

Well after filling Nitrogen, I could feel more smoothness in the drive. The Car has become very light in running. The Tyre shop owner told me that if your tyres doesnt meet any puncture then you dont need to top up untill next 6 months. This is amazing . No standing up in ques for Air pressure checkup after Fueling the car.

I paid Rs 100 for 4 tyres. and Top up will just cost Rs 20 for all tyres
Sachin where did you got it filled. please give me address so I can also try.
What goes in 100 buck for trying atleast.
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Sachin where did you got it filled. please give me address so I can also try.
What goes in 100 buck for trying atleast.
Here is the number of the tyreshop.

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Mr Ram Pravesh,Mr Mrs Kakad(Owner)
Address - C-570, Nr Mcr TVS Showroom, Outer Ring Rd, Saraswati Vihar, Delhi - 110034
+(91)-(11)-27032314, 27019134 +(91)-9350987585
email :wheels_delhi@sify.com

Time to fill the gas is just 7 to 10 mins provided tyre shop doesnt have a waiting queue.
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Friends,

Apologies for sparking off a "wrong" debate - Petrol vs Diesel.

What I meant in my that post was different. Since long, I've been thinking about rattling/ squeaking noise complaints. Most of the Diesel Lineas here on bhp have developed it whereas actually I was surprised that most of the Petrol Lineas are not affected by it. Why is that so?
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never mind amit.

Ok i have been noticing some motor like sound when i completly turn my streeing to right or left while the car is staitionary. Its not very prominent but just i can hear it when I concentrate. May be it comes of the Power streering motor ?

Any clue guys, or have you also faced it ?
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never mind amit.

Ok i have been noticing some motor like sound when i completly turn my streeing to right or left while the car is staitionary. Its not very prominent but just i can hear it when I concentrate. May be it comes of the Power streering motor ?

Any clue guys, or have you also faced it ?
Steering Control with Power assisted has the noise(murmuring) when full lock in either side.
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Nitrogen in the tyres does make the ride smoother and less noisy. i do not know the funda behind it. but according to what my tyre guy said is that nitrogen heats up much slower than regular air. however the added advantage is that refills are not required as in the case of regular air. when regular air had been filled up at 33PSI and i did a check on the air the air used to be at 29-30 after a week. when nitrogen was used and filled up to 33PSI when i checked after 2 months, all tyres still had 33PSI.

this is what i was handed over at the Nitrogen fill station:
Pros And Cons of Nitrogen Gas For Inflating Car Tires

Pros
  • Nitrogen reduces the running temperature of the tyre. The moisture content of nitrogen leads to a cooler running tyre, which is advantageous when the car is operating at its maximum load and speed capacity.
  • Nitrogen in tyres improves the ride quality. That gas is very slightly lighter than air and thus, benefits the tires in terms of un-sprung weight.
  • It is assumed that Nitrogen increases tyre life. It reduces the operating temperature during times of load and speed and thus, enhances the life of a tyre.
  • It is believed that nitrogen keeps tyre pressures more constant. The gas is assumed to provide more stable pressure range in connection to the tyre temperature. However, again, the factor is applicable in times of heavy load/high-speed conditions.
  • Tyres are susceptible to loss of pressure as a result of being porous in nature. Due to its chemical structure, Nitrogen leak out slowly as compared to compressed air. Therefore, it slows the rate of pressure loss.
  • Oxygen reacts with the tyre and rim materials causing oxidation or the rust formation in the metal parts. Nitrogen, being an inert gas, does not react with the tyre and rim materials.
Cons
  • Inflating tires with Nitrogen is quite costly. The cost generally comes to somewhere around $5 to $10 per tyre for a passenger car.
  • Filling tyres with nitrogen requires more maintenance as compared to compressed gas.
  • The availability factor is the biggest disadvantage of inflating tyres with nitrogen, as the gas is not readily available. It is usually found only with specialist tyre dealers.
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Lovely post Sunil

just to add more as the Tyre pressure remains intact (33 psi for front and 30 psi for rear) for a longer time. It saves us most of the times in driving car with the incorrect tyre pressure and hence increases the Mileage also.

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  • Inflating tires with Nitrogen is quite costly. The cost generally comes to somewhere around $5 to $10 per tyre for a passenger car.
Well not that costly now I got that filled for 100 Rs ($2) for 4 tyres. and then Whenever you for a top up they just charge Rs 20 for all 4 tyres.

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Yes so far its only available with specialist tyre dealers however I see more and more filling stations coming up in about 3 months down the line. I saw a good response at Wheels where i went for filling.
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  • Nitrogen reduces the running temperature of the tyre. The moisture content of nitrogen leads to a cooler running tyre, which is advantageous when the car is operating at its maximum load and speed capacity.
  • Nitrogen in tyres improves the ride quality. That gas is very slightly lighter than air and thus, benefits the tires in terms of un-sprung weight.
  • It is assumed that Nitrogen increases tyre life. It reduces the operating temperature during times of load and speed and thus, enhances the life of a tyre.
  • It is believed that nitrogen keeps tyre pressures more constant. The gas is assumed to provide more stable pressure range in connection to the tyre temperature. However, again, the factor is applicable in times of heavy load/high-speed conditions.
  • Tyres are susceptible to loss of pressure as a result of being porous in nature. Due to its chemical structure, Nitrogen leak out slowly as compared to compressed air. Therefore, it slows the rate of pressure loss.
  • Oxygen reacts with the tyre and rim materials causing oxidation or the rust formation in the metal parts. Nitrogen, being an inert gas, does not react with the tyre and rim materials.
Dude, rust formation requires TWO things, besides iron: Oxygen AND water. But the first point states that Nitrogen has moisture, which seems to indicate pressurised air does not. So, how can rust form? Besides, normal wheels are made of steel, which anyway is rust resistant.

Air contains 78% nitrogen. How much difference can another 20% or so cause?
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