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Old 16th October 2009, 17:45   #181
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Tata is again playing the more space game. Bigger the car more maintenace issues. and being diesel it makes this worse. Why cant they give a better version of Indigo CS which can be on par with City?
I beg to differ on this. Big car does not always means maintenace issues, and being diesel it makes sense too. Petrol cars may have less maintenance cost but the intervals are more. The cost of driving a diesel car is much less, and this one is a better version of Indigo, and will compete not only with city but many others. Diesel cars have less co2 emmision than petrol cars... and name a feature which you will have in honda city and not in manza..

just because its honda, does not make much sense to spend more, no offense to Honda owners... If a company can make affordable cars at low cost with luxury features we should appreciate that. Thats how Maruti came to market when they started making cheaper cars than Hindusthan Motors, with comparable features...

Way to go TATA, this car is going to set the market on fire..
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You're kidding right? It has 460 litres of boot-space, from the pics it looks like a cave than a boot & you say boot space is compromised ?
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compared to what? Its go a bigger boot than Verna,Fiesta,Ikon and DeZire. And looks like its got a much better rear seat space than all these cars too. I don't think anything is compromised.
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460 litres is compromise? Sorry, I don't think I can agree with that.
May be I am expecting too much, but thought that given the length, they could have given it a better boot space comparable to SX4 and City. This is because if they come up with 1.6 diesel and petrol version of this car, they can take fight to Rs. 7-9 lakh segment.
And we know how marketing is done, if a single parameter is more, Honda salesperson, or any other salesperson irrespective of the company, will prove that point to be critical.

My expectation was that Indigo manza, with two different capacity diesels, can take out give sleepless night to Dzire, SX4, Verna and City. But I think its not possible to have everything.
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At this price band it might well eat into its own products.Linea would definitely be affected.Am not sure of one thing ,sometimes feel like that TATA uses the FIAT arrangement to its great advantage.Indigo owners were always happy with their product so if its a progress to the Indigo that segment would numbers would come back for sure.Others might wait for a lot many people in the market still think that the Indica Vista is as good as the Indica.Hope you get what am trying to say !Great vibes from the product overall
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This is because if they come up with 1.6 diesel and petrol version of this car, they can take fight to Rs. 7-9 lakh segment.
And we know how marketing is done, if a single parameter is more, Honda salesperson, or any other salesperson irrespective of the company, will prove that point to be critical.

I think the Tata Prima would be positioned above Manza. So lets not dream of a 1.6 diesel Manza for the time being!
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May be I am expecting too much, but thought that given the length, they could have given it a better boot space comparable to SX4 and City. This is because if they come up with 1.6 diesel and petrol version of this car, they can take fight to Rs. 7-9 lakh segment.
I would anyday prefer more interior room than luggage capacity which I am never going to use unless I am running a courier company. 460 litres is anyday huge. If that isnt enough you shouldnt be buying a sedan at first place.

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And we know how marketing is done, if a single parameter is more, Honda salesperson, or any other salesperson irrespective of the company, will prove that point to be critical.
From the thousand's of "what car" queries on tbhp, I have never heard anyone reject a car when it already has a 460 litre boot space. A Honda salesman has better things to talk about than boot space.
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This car is going to fly off showroom floors, guys. Can hardly wait for the sales numbers of the coming months.
And i am waiting to see what cars will be impacted. My guess Ikon D,Fiesta D and DeZire D and Linea D. Verna owners are looking for power - so i don't think there will be a big impact.

I didnt consider Logan, coz there is nothing really left for an impact, right?

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I would anyday prefer more interior room than luggage capacity which I am never going to use unless I am running a courier company. 460 litres is anyday huge. If that isnt enough you shouldnt be buying a sedan at first place.
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I think the Tata Prima would be positioned above Manza. So lets not dream of a 1.6 diesel Manza for the time being!
When's Prima coming Karan?
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When's Prima coming Karan?

OT : The concept was showcased this year so i dont think atleast till 2011.
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guys .....i see some of the existing 'INDICA' models also missing from the list of products on tata's website. Looks like things are moving too fast at Tata these days

I am sure I saw five of the Indica models in the first column couple of weeks back and now there are only three. I guess one of the missing ones is Indicab not sure about the other one.

However Indigo portfolio is in line with what is discussed in this thread.
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I must add, Mr. Ratan Tata having height more than 6 feet must be personally sitting in each car model to check whether he can sit (in drivers seat and rear seat) comfortably or not? The criteria which makes TATA cars spacious is this.
You may be right.Ratan Tata takes personal interest in the design of cars.His approval is needed before a design can be finalised.I think Maruthi's and Fiat's interior design should improve. In my opinion he proportion of interior space(especially at the rear) with respect to exterior space is low in cars like SX4,Swift and Punto.
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okay! i would like to voice my opinion,

this car is better looking than the older indigo.

its better than the Dzire.(what an ironic name ) no offense to any owners but, you know what i mean.

who is this car for, a person seeking 1) reasonably priced transportion 2) good mileage 3) comfort 4) space.

what the guy is not looking for but gets without asking 1) better quality. 2) good engines. 3) decent interiors 4) safety.


what he does not get nor he looks for it here. but stilll .....1) looks 2) admiration from others 3) approval from people 3) snob value 4) refinment.

i commend tata's efforts to give people who want a reasonably priced sedan. the product is good but IMPHO. i dont like the way they dealt with design here. i wouldn't want to blame them for being cheap. no they are not like that. but i really think they should have given the job of Designing the Car to FIAT's italian designers. (we all know tata and fiat love affair). TATA designs' software for Ferraris for god sake. why can italians design a reasonably priced cars.


they have done it and here is the result. its a beauty. its called the prima i suppose. its gonna come in future. but looking at it. this thing is a D segment or something close to it. i just wonder what if they could have designed a little brother of this car below. take the vista platform and given it a proper sedan form. it can be done. jetta comes from the GOLF. linea from punto. why tata why! cant you design a reasonably priced beauty.

ratan uncleji... give us some good looking cars. SIGHHHHHHHH..........
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this car looks damm good.. Its Tata Prima still a concept
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Here we go like typical Team BHPIans- I haven't seen a Manza yet, and here we are asking for more- give them a break folks

Like many said, the car is a better boot-job than the Swift-derived contraption (no offence, dzire owners!) but I reserve my judgement until I see one (or may be a few) in flesh, on our roads.
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i am sorry to post back to back. its seems i can't edit my post (20 mins thing or whatever dunno.). mods bear with me plz. this looks like i am really critical about this car, no i am not i like everything about it. except. the boot and rear half of the side view. which kills the design.

have a look at these pics and some things which they could have done. would this have increased the price. sure but it would look more like a proper car. it would have captured the market from linea. and others since it would have been still cheaper than the others.

also have a look at this picture at the last . its an overlay of punto and linea. have a look and tell me. why couldn't they do something similar on the lines of this.

the earlier version of indigo i didn't cared about. but i got my hopes up thinking oooh its 2009. maybe this NEXT GEN NOOO!! they have pulled a INDIGO on it..
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I think, the reasons behind current version of indigo boils down to one simple question -

How much can be leveraged from the Vista platform that could end in a sedan for the same price as Dzire with a ton of features?

If manza is successful, I am sure the subsequent versions would be better in form and function.

OT:I am already waiting for some scoops/spy shots for prima prototypes?
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except. the boot and rear half of the side view. which kills the design.

have a look at these pics and some things which they could have done. would this have increased the price. sure but it would look more like a proper car. it would have captured the market from linea. and others since it would have been still cheaper than the others.
No offense to your drawing, Caramelo, but the Manza is already huge on interior space. Much larger than even most of the C+ segment, so why do you want more inner space?

Agreed, even I am not a fan of those extended tail lights, (would have liked something more subtle) but the car certainly does not look out of proportion in any way. Unlike the earlier "stuck-on boot" version of the Indigo, the lines are much cleaner and nicer.

I did get to the see the test mule on the road - not in Coimbatore showrooms till last evening and I was impressed with the space on the inside. Please remember Tata is always synonymous with VFM and that's their trump card. More car per car. Wherever they deviated from this, they lost (Sumo Grande - definitely should have been better).

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