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Old 16th October 2009, 01:26   #121
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The Manza looks fabulous! Especially the interiors.

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Nice review and Kudos to Tata for bringing such VFM car.

GTO, we are expecting your trademark review within a day or two, please.

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The poise at 170 kmph is not surprising at all since this is a VGT, a la verna CRDi.

Sorry to digress here, but what has happened to the in-house 1.4 DiCOR engine rated for 90 HP?

And why cant they evolve from the old indica grill design?

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Kudos to TATA. I am very proud that an Indian Company is making right moves to become a major global player soon .I definitely see a 10-20 years down the road TATA Cars will be competing with Global players all around the world .They have all the resources now from top end Jag to cost effective NANO. Using this vast resource pool of different skilled engineers/designers they can do wonders .

The Car's interior absolutely stunning for the price range and exterior looks are totally personal .You can never find one car in this world which is a accepted looker by every one ..

The one thing they could have done better here is not associated with Indigo series since this Manza series could be a new line of offering which could boost the image of the brand in different segment .but again that's me .Yesterday I was talking to my uncle who is in the market for buying a new car (he is not a petrol head just a typical average customer)and seriously looking for a TATA branded car .I suggested him to have a look @ MANZA ...
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At this rate soon we'll see headlamps starting from windshield.

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I have a feeling this car will do well. Good value car, must say.
Also, Logan will soon have tough competition for MERU cabs.
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GTO - thanks to the anonymous contributor - but we miss the 'GTO' review - please bring it soon!

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At this rate soon we'll see headlamps starting from windshield.
Rudra - thats a good one

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I am actually disappointed with some folks who are deriding Tata here. We tend to look down upon ourselves a lot.
I have done the transformation myself. I used to look down on Tata as a car manufacturer - but they have grown leaps and bounds in their products and quality. Its time people accepted it.


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Old 16th October 2009, 08:30   #127
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At this rate soon we'll see headlamps starting from windshield.
I agree. The current international Civic Hatchback has head/tail lights fully covering the front/rear (my friend in UK used to call it Civic - DISCO). Dekko -
2007 Honda Civic Type S 3-door UK Version - Car News, Pictures and Specification on GotBroken.Com

What is spared is the length of car? Opportunity..heh

Coming back to topic, Tata surely has stirred the market with Manza, this surely is the best VFM - very acceptable looks, loads of cabin space, proven engine(s) ,boot space, gizmos.
Way to go Tata
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1) The car is not looking very good, specially the front end. The headlamps look like they were lifted from earlier generation Camry, i.e. 6th Gen Camry ( XV 30 ? ).

They could have given a better treatment to the front end. The headlights and grille are a mis-match. Compare this car ( Manza ) looks with Indigo XL front end, it looks better than Manza.

The headlights of Manza look similar to Camry ( sixth generation ).
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2) The dashboard specially the instrument panel and the hood ( upper part ) of instrument panel, the way it slides towards central console is very close in appearance to Fiat Linea. IMHO, this is more space efficient design that Linea and looks good too.

3) In order to give rear seat comfort, the boot space is compromised. This is not very good thing.

4) The origins of this car is clearly hatch, but it is able to mask it better than earlier Indigo. But the rear tail lamp design could be better. I expected the boot to be bigger.

5) Coming back to boot, IMHO, this car has that shortcut method non independent rear suspension. I dont know why but manufacturers have gone too much cost cutting crazy. There is not much intrusion from suspension so IMHO, this suspension setup is similar to Vista.
I would have liked independent suspension.



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Have a look at this Suzuki Cervo, the headlights are starting close from the windscreen.

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Nice report. Kudos to TATA for getting it's pricing right(They always get it right).

Waiting for the detailed TD report from GTO.

Personally, did not like the looks of the car.
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You might have SEEN Indicas, but I have been using one personally since 2006 and running fine after clocking 127000kms. Always felt it built like a car, not as a pencil box that you mention. My friend's 2002 60000 kms Indica doesn't feel flimsy as well.

You can check out my report here on the Long-term review section and also fellow-TBHPian 'greenhorn's report where his Indica got hit by a Kerala State bus from behind. A Maruti would have just folded up (Swift, Dzire and lower models atleast, haven't tried the SX4 so cannot comment on that).

Please don't just go by 'seeing' things and 'jumping' into conclusions. And in case you think I am Tata fanboy, I still have my dad's 1991 M800 which feels much better than the current tin-cans that Maruti produces.

The cars that I have personally owned, used and driven for your information includes the M800, M1000, Gypsy King, Maruti Van, Tata Sierra, Safari, Sumo, Indica besides the Hindustan Contessa, Ambassador, Hyundai Santro, Ford Ikon and the Toyota Qualis. My views are based entirely on my ownership claims and not mere hearsay. Each of these cars did a minimum of 85000 kms with us.
Looks are really personal. For all you know, I would check if I can test drive Manza today (TATA motors is just 100m from my office). I would surely give you a feedback.

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Have a look at this Suzuki Cervo, the headlights are starting close from the windscreen.
Yes, I've seen this before. But Manza's bonnet is longer than Cervo. Now you know what I meant.
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This car is a definite Wow. One way, or the other.

Looks: yes thats a subjective thing, and for a country happy with the earlier Indigo, the various Santro avatars, the Logan, the Ritz, the DZire, etc, its a reasonably safe approach. I do believe it'll do just fine on this front for most people.

VFM: What can one say This is a chapter rewrite in India's automotive VFM history.

The Vista's been doing quite ok, from empirical evidence, so a lot of the mechanical package is not new-and-unproven, and some improvements would be included already.

If I were in the market for a change, this would be amongst the top contenders on sheer appeal to the brain.

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Old 16th October 2009, 10:02   #133
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I dropped in at Tata dealership yesterday to check out the Manza in person. As I am not expert in any automobile area; I would say as a average consumer, I am impressed with the product for a given price.

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Scuff plate (I hope I got the name right)
Tata Manza 1.3 diesel - First Drive Report. Edit: Pictures added on Page 4.-m1.jpg

Electronic controls
Tata Manza 1.3 diesel - First Drive Report. Edit: Pictures added on Page 4.-m2.jpg

Oval speakers provided in parcel tray! It used to be round in old Indigo and one had to cut the tray to put in ovals. Total 8 speakers in manza if you count tweeters in dash!

Tata Manza 1.3 diesel - First Drive Report. Edit: Pictures added on Page 4.-m3.jpg

Power outlet on rear parcel tray.
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Cladding inside boot door
Tata Manza 1.3 diesel - First Drive Report. Edit: Pictures added on Page 4.-m5.jpg

Edit: Here (The Tata Nano Thread) is Nano with alloys. Spotted at the same dealership.

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Old 16th October 2009, 10:10   #134
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3) In order to give rear seat comfort, the boot space is compromised. This is not very good thing.
You're kidding right? It has 460 litres of boot-space, from the pics it looks like a cave than a boot & you say boot space is compromised ?
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Can one make or take call from Blue5 device? else only pairing mobile phones does not make much sense.
Just curious but why would pairing be available if you couldn't make or receive calls?
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no suman, that's not the case - perhaps a popular rumor among non-TATA owners. engines may not be honda-smooth, but they're perfectly reliable and functional for longer years than the rest of the car would hold up.
Thanks for reiterating, that was exactly what I was driving at. I always thought the TATA engines were bullet-proof, the issues were elsewhere. They surely didn't need Fiat engines to give them that reliability
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Just curious but why would pairing be available if you couldn't make or receive calls?
One can listen to songs stored in mobile

My point is if this provides call making features too, then what more one can expect from a car whose top end vehicle will come on road 7.5 +/-, and have every thing...almost

ahh Alloy wheels!!! those are missing...and parking sensors would have given a box office hit....
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