Tata Indigo Manza : Test Drive & Review - Page 7 - Team-BHP

GTO · 30th October 2009, 20:27

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Originally Posted by rpmx1000

Just curious. Forgive my ignorance. What is a dead pedal ? Is it that there's a fourth pedal with no action attached to it ?!

Attaching a sample pic (X-Trail dead pedal). The left "dead" pedal is a boon on long drives. Can rest your left foot on it.

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Originally Posted by DigitalDragon

Petrol with IntelLigent Port Resizing.

What exactly is "intelligent port resizing"? What is the real world benefit, if at all?

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Originally Posted by adits

Considering the better claimed FE (21 kmpl for the Manza as opposed to 16 kmpl for the Indigo CS),

Also consider that these are all ARAI "ideal test conditions" figures. Real world will be different.

damodar · 30th October 2009, 21:02

Hi, GTO what a review.It's crisp and to the point and the details of the car mentioned are which we find only after buying it and living with it for atleast 2 weeks! But i have couple of questions nagging me 1) how good is the AC or in other words how would you compare it to Vista's AC. 2) How is the performance of the headlights? Both of them are very important for me since i drive 70 per cent on highways. Thanks in advance

KRf1 · 30th October 2009, 21:03

Another amazing review GTO . Was eagerly waiting for this one .

IMHO the reason Tata hangs on to the names Indica , Indigo , Sumo is that they are inspired by European companies like Volkswagen , Ford Eyrope etc . For eg we see different generations of Golf ,Focus ,Mondeo .They want to express continuity and improvement . Ofcourse they have to add subtitles like Vista , Manza as they want to sell both generations together . Its like calling a Skoda Laura a Skoda Octavia Laura .

I have a small suggestion . Next time you could put up a side by side pictures of the two generations of cars like Indigo/Manza , ANHC/NHC (like you have put of Manza and Vista ) .

Manza seems to be all set to improve brand Tata , but to beat Maruti Suzuki they need to wrestle that JD Power Customer Satisfaction award from them . That said sales should be good but I dont reckon it will better the Dzires sales .

anonymous · 30th October 2009, 21:17

Wonderul review as always. I do have one question though and please pardon my ignorance but what does the following statement mean? Can someone please care to explain it in detail? Does it mean single car has been driven for 23 lakhs km?
"The Manza has undergone 23 lakh kms of testing; that’s over and above the Vista’s 25 lakh kms of testing."

Latheesh · 30th October 2009, 21:17

KRf1 - I agree with you

Initially I was upset with the name 'Indigo' Manza, but wait for 1 or 2 generations more of Indica/Indigo series cars. I would love to see these two cars competing directly with the global leaders. Let's wait and watch

@anonymous - Since both the cars are made on same platform you can say it has undergone 48L KM road testing (23 Manza + 25 Vista)

Autonorm · 30th October 2009, 21:19

Thanks GTO for the lovely review. It's nice to see Tata grow up and offer better products. As you and everyone else here has mentioned the fit and finish could be better and if they do so I am sure it will give substantial competition to not only the other cars in it's segment but also to cars atleast 2 segments higher.

carZest · 30th October 2009, 21:23

great review GTO!

about Tata planning to/not selling the manza to taxi folks - is that necessarily a good thing? these are guys who have brought indicas/indigos in great numbers and have great faith in the VFM offerings. And the manza only has more of what they want- more mileage, more space and more quality.

sure, Tata wants to go up-market and grab all the dzire customers, but IMHO any reason to be so 'rigid'? the hardcore i-swear-by maruti won't anyway come, all others looking for such a sedan would need only a test-drive to be convinced!

Mpower · 30th October 2009, 21:29

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Originally Posted by DigitalDragon

To my knowledge it does NOT. It's an MPFI engine - 4 cylinder, MPFI, Petrol with IntelLigent Port Resizing.

Could be because the Euro version makes 10 more bhp at 100. But I fail to understand why so...........when they can afford to put it on the cheaper Vista 1.2.

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Originally Posted by GTO

What exactly is "intelligent port resizing"? What is the real world benefit, if at all?.

Its a contraption that masks 1 of 2 intake ports at low rpm. Helps improve response and low rpm drivability. I think the Corolla has it too.

TeddyBear · 30th October 2009, 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by anonymous

Can someone please care to explain it in detail? Does it mean single car has been driven for 23 lakhs km?
"The Manza has undergone 23 lakh kms of testing; that’s over and above the Vista’s 25 lakh kms of testing."

Right from the Car's prototype, various combinations of chassis, engines, suspensions, ABS, then everything put together is tested in various cars, say 10 to 20 test cars at different test conditions, geographic conditions from hot desert countries to Ice cold Norway and Indian potholes

with 10 cars averaging 2 lac each or 20 cars averaging 1 lac each is put together to 23 lac KMs test.

Mpower · 30th October 2009, 22:34

Pretty sure those are equivalent miles and not actual miles.
For example 10k miles on a MIRA course will be equivalent to 1 lakh road miles based on damage co-releation.

challa · 30th October 2009, 23:05

Great impressive review

I had test driven diesel varient of Manza yesterday, the ride quality is really great and nothing i can complain about ( to my knowledge). I have noticed the height adjustable lever touches the seat adjustable lever which is placed just behind it, in my test drive car i found ther's already a mark happened due to rubbing of seat adjuster against height adjuster lever ( might be fitting issues), i guess TATA should have maintained sufficient gap between these two ( Has any one noticed this in other test drive cars?).

Also the test drive car at Mysore Road Concorde Bangalore had problem with the air direction adjuster, though i adjusted the knob to different positions the air comes only through the front four air windows and was not being deviated to other positions ( Should be specific to this particular car and this point might be useful during pre-delivery inspection to others)

Over all a great car and might pick one soon.

okvinu · 30th October 2009, 23:27

wonderful review GTO! hopefully huge improvements, have to see the quality and durability. Of course a very good competitor for dzire.
Great work from TATA.

pgsagar · 30th October 2009, 23:35

Grrreat review GTO!!! More detailed and more realistic than any automags. Fantastic.

Manza will give a tough time not only to Dzire/Linea/Verna/City/Fiesta but also to pricey hatches like i20, Fabia. After all Indians, like Americans and unlike Europeans, prefer sedan over a hatch and if a sedan is loaded more and costs less than the hatch, then most would prefer sedan.

And I don't understand this taxi fixation with Tata cars that some crib about. Tell me which luxury car these days is not used as a taxi. One can see Camry, Corolla, Accord, Skoda even latest model Mercs and BMWs as taxis right here in any big city in Inida. And not to mention countless Innovas and Scorpios as taxis. But no one complains about that or minds that. They only complain about Tata products.

drrajasaravanan · 31st October 2009, 00:11

Awesome review. I had gone to the TATA showroom today to check out the Fiat Punto for my better half. After getting all the details (Actually the showroom personnel should be updated with team-bhp as they really lack lot of information) on my way out to check out the colours of the car waiting to be delivered i saw TATA MANZA. I like the looks and the price of the car is fantastic. Unfortunately they did not have a test drive vehicle. I was informed that it will come within a week. I have decided to test drive both the vehicle before making my decision. Now after reading your review i think i have taken a wise decision. Will update after i test drive. Cheers.

-NUT-case · 31st October 2009, 01:06

Hi guys,
I think TATA having put in this much effort to give us a better product would have also put in some effort to improve their A.S.S.

Started a thread at mod section for tire and wheel upgrades for Manza .

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...de-thread.html (Tata MANZA - Wheels+Tire Upgrade Thread)

Feel free to comment and suggestions are welcome.

@ GTO , Will slipping the clutch at lower gears to get more RPM and BHP harm the engine or the clutch plate in any way as you have mentioned, is the only way to overcome turbo lag at lower gears.

30th October 2009, 21:02	#92 (permalink)
damodar BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 44	Hi, GTO what a review.It's crisp and to the point and the details of the car mentioned are which we find only after buying it and living with it for atleast 2 weeks! But i have couple of questions nagging me 1) how good is the AC or in other words how would you compare it to Vista's AC. 2) How is the performance of the headlights? Both of them are very important for me since i drive 70 per cent on highways. Thanks in advance __________________ DAMODAR

30th October 2009, 21:03	#93 (permalink)
KRf1 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 167	Another amazing review GTO . Was eagerly waiting for this one . IMHO the reason Tata hangs on to the names Indica , Indigo , Sumo is that they are inspired by European companies like Volkswagen , Ford Eyrope etc . For eg we see different generations of Golf ,Focus ,Mondeo .They want to express continuity and improvement . Ofcourse they have to add subtitles like Vista , Manza as they want to sell both generations together . Its like calling a Skoda Laura a Skoda Octavia Laura . I have a small suggestion . Next time you could put up a side by side pictures of the two generations of cars like Indigo/Manza , ANHC/NHC (like you have put of Manza and Vista ) . Manza seems to be all set to improve brand Tata , but to beat Maruti Suzuki they need to wrestle that JD Power Customer Satisfaction award from them . That said sales should be good but I dont reckon it will better the Dzires sales . __________________ "With Senna,I learned how things should be done...With Mansell I learned how things mustn't be done" (Mika Hakkinen,1995)

30th October 2009, 21:17	#95 (permalink)
Latheesh BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangalore/Kannur Posts: 408	KRf1 - I agree with you Initially I was upset with the name 'Indigo' Manza, but wait for 1 or 2 generations more of Indica/Indigo series cars. I would love to see these two cars competing directly with the global leaders. Let's wait and watch @anonymous - Since both the cars are made on same platform you can say it has undergone 48L KM road testing (23 Manza + 25 Vista) __________________ CHEVROLET SPARK LT BLAZING RED 2009 HONDA ACCORD LX COUPE SILVER 2005 (ABROAD - SOLD) SUZUKI SHOGUN 1995 (SOLD) Last edited by Latheesh : 30th October 2009 at 21:22.

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Mpower Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago/B'lore Posts: 5,324 View My Garage	Pretty sure those are equivalent miles and not actual miles. For example 10k miles on a MIRA course will be equivalent to 1 lakh road miles based on damage co-releation. __________________ The difference between the men and the boys....................is the speed of their toys. Last edited by Mpower : 30th October 2009 at 23:11.

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30th October 2009, 21:17	#94 (permalink)
anonymous BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NCR Posts: 327	Wonderul review as always. I do have one question though and please pardon my ignorance but what does the following statement mean? Can someone please care to explain it in detail? Does it mean single car has been driven for 23 lakhs km? "The Manza has undergone 23 lakh kms of testing; that’s over and above the Vista’s 25 lakh kms of testing."

30th October 2009, 21:19	#96 (permalink)
Autonorm BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Aachen, Germany Posts: 31	Thanks GTO for the lovely review. It's nice to see Tata grow up and offer better products. As you and everyone else here has mentioned the fit and finish could be better and if they do so I am sure it will give substantial competition to not only the other cars in it's segment but also to cars atleast 2 segments higher.

30th October 2009, 21:23	#97 (permalink)
carZest BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: hyderabad Posts: 42	great review GTO! about Tata planning to/not selling the manza to taxi folks - is that necessarily a good thing? these are guys who have brought indicas/indigos in great numbers and have great faith in the VFM offerings. And the manza only has more of what they want- more mileage, more space and more quality. sure, Tata wants to go up-market and grab all the dzire customers, but IMHO any reason to be so 'rigid'? the hardcore i-swear-by maruti won't anyway come, all others looking for such a sedan would need only a test-drive to be convinced!

30th October 2009, 23:05	#101 (permalink)
challa Newbie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14	Great impressive review I had test driven diesel varient of Manza yesterday, the ride quality is really great and nothing i can complain about ( to my knowledge). I have noticed the height adjustable lever touches the seat adjustable lever which is placed just behind it, in my test drive car i found ther's already a mark happened due to rubbing of seat adjuster against height adjuster lever ( might be fitting issues), i guess TATA should have maintained sufficient gap between these two ( Has any one noticed this in other test drive cars?). Also the test drive car at Mysore Road Concorde Bangalore had problem with the air direction adjuster, though i adjusted the knob to different positions the air comes only through the front four air windows and was not being deviated to other positions ( Should be specific to this particular car and this point might be useful during pre-delivery inspection to others) Over all a great car and might pick one soon.

30th October 2009, 23:27	#102 (permalink)
okvinu Newbie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cochin Posts: 19	wonderful review GTO! hopefully huge improvements, have to see the quality and durability. Of course a very good competitor for dzire. Great work from TATA.

30th October 2009, 23:35	#103 (permalink)
pgsagar BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vizag Posts: 223 View My Garage	Grrreat review GTO!!! More detailed and more realistic than any automags. Fantastic. Manza will give a tough time not only to Dzire/Linea/Verna/City/Fiesta but also to pricey hatches like i20, Fabia. After all Indians, like Americans and unlike Europeans, prefer sedan over a hatch and if a sedan is loaded more and costs less than the hatch, then most would prefer sedan. And I don't understand this taxi fixation with Tata cars that some crib about. Tell me which luxury car these days is not used as a taxi. One can see Camry, Corolla, Accord, Skoda even latest model Mercs and BMWs as taxis right here in any big city in Inida. And not to mention countless Innovas and Scorpios as taxis. But no one complains about that or minds that. They only complain about Tata products.

31st October 2009, 00:11	#104 (permalink)
drrajasaravanan Newbie Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 6	Awesome review. I had gone to the TATA showroom today to check out the Fiat Punto for my better half. After getting all the details (Actually the showroom personnel should be updated with team-bhp as they really lack lot of information) on my way out to check out the colours of the car waiting to be delivered i saw TATA MANZA. I like the looks and the price of the car is fantastic. Unfortunately they did not have a test drive vehicle. I was informed that it will come within a week. I have decided to test drive both the vehicle before making my decision. Now after reading your review i think i have taken a wise decision. Will update after i test drive. Cheers.

31st October 2009, 01:06	#105 (permalink)
-NUT-case BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 28	Hi guys, I think TATA having put in this much effort to give us a better product would have also put in some effort to improve their A.S.S. Started a thread at mod section for tire and wheel upgrades for Manza . http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...de-thread.html (Tata MANZA - Wheels+Tire Upgrade Thread) Feel free to comment and suggestions are welcome. @ GTO , Will slipping the clutch at lower gears to get more RPM and BHP harm the engine or the clutch plate in any way as you have mentioned, is the only way to overcome turbo lag at lower gears.