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Old 11th January 2010, 19:54   #31
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The Scorpio being one of the more (often) stolen vehicles, I also looked at the security thread. I checked with the salesman in Sireesh and he said the 'code' cannot be changed. The guy who came yesterday even said that the duplicate key can only be made by Mahindra. You may be able to source one from outside and it may even open the door, but it won't start the engine, he said. How safe is the new Scorpio?
hi buddy, the guy is right. as far as i know, the refresh scorpio's code cannot be changed because it comes with the new security tech used by toyotas & marutis (i forgot the name, starts with 'I'!! is it IVRS??).

basically, every key has a transmitter with a code & the keyhole has a sensor. when both the codes match (inside the keyhole), only then the immobilizer is de-activated & the vehicle will start.

so he is right in saying that you cannot make the keys outside as maybe the car will open but the car wont start.

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I am not sure if you know this or been explained to you , leave the key in the key slot and open the bonnet, all the four indicator will start automatically, close the bonnet and they will stop, this is a very good feature that I learned accidentally yesterday.

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hey, i think this feature is present only in the refresh models. quite nice though. surprising since mahindra has not advertised this.
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hey, i think this feature is present only in the refresh models. quite nice though. surprising since mahindra has not advertised this.
Thats an easter egg
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check if there are 2 pushbutton switches in the glove box, on the top, if they are there then you can set the code. i also got the chip on key info from the clueless Sireesh sales guy and the nonsense about not being able to change the codes, after i called up the Mahindra helpline guys and got the actual info that you can change them they instructed the guys in Sireesh to help me change the code.
suggest you dont talk to the sales guys, ask to be connected to the service guys and ask them for the info, heard that the latest vlx, sle are coming with the chip on key security system, check if you have it.

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@SanCcorpio:

Is your's the refresh model? Somebody had posted a response from one of the top dogs at Mahindra highlighting the feature of the chip in the key.
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THe ever evolving M&M will always keep you on the hook about technology. They should invest good time in training their staff on the ground.
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new security tech used by toyotas & marutis (i forgot the name, starts with 'I'!! is it IVRS??).
Maruti brands it as ICATS but the Technology is RFID ( Radio frequency identifier) This is dirt cheap technology these days and many advanced retail stores ( e.g. Landmark in Bangalore ) use it on the products to prevent shoplifting and billing in placed of QR Codes/ barcodes.

I don't understand why all vehicle manufacturers can not use it on products costing in lakhs.

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basically, every key has a transmitter with a code & the keyhole has a sensor. when both the codes match (inside the keyhole), only then the immobilizer is de-activated & the vehicle will start.

so he is right in saying that you cannot make the keys outside as maybe the car will open but the car wont start.
Description is quite correct but IMHO the key matching should happen in ECU as in case of Maruti else it is very easy to by pass.
The system is same as earlier system of manual 4 /5 digit code only difference is that code is now RFID based and change in Key needs setting the Same code in ECU by using software which can write value to ECU Flash memory at right location.


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triedeverything,
check if there are 2 pushbutton switches in the glove box, on the top, if they are there then you can set the code. i also got the chip on key info from the clueless Sireesh sales guy and the nonsense about not being able to change the codes, after i called up the Mahindra helpline guys and got the actual info that you can change them they instructed the guys in Sireesh to help me change the code.
suggest you dont talk to the sales guys, ask to be connected to the service guys and ask them for the info, heard that the latest vlx, sle are coming with the chip on key security system, check if you have it.
If it can be reset then it is not RFID based.
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hi triedeverything, congratulations on the scorpio.

I agree with amitk26, if it can be changed then it cant be RFID. However if Sanscorpio was able to reset then I am confused, I thought refresh model onwards they had RFID on all the new scorpios.
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Maruti brands it as ICATS but the Technology is RFID ( Radio frequency identifier) This is dirt cheap technology these days and many advanced retail stores ( e.g. Landmark in Bangalore ) use it on the products to prevent shoplifting and billing in placed of QR Codes/ barcodes.
exactly. i could not recollect RFID.

thanks amit.

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hi triedeverything, congratulations on the scorpio.

I agree with amitk26, if it can be changed then it cant be RFID. However if Sanscorpio was able to reset then I am confused, I thought refresh model onwards they had RFID on all the new scorpios.
now even i am confused. how can one change the coding of the RFID??

i am looking for a solution to this now.
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@ amitk26, raj_5004
i think they may have used the iButton technology, this can have data on the chip (in the key) which can also be changed. this is my deduction based on the procedure thats used for changing the code. iButton requires physical contact between the transmitter and the data chip as is apparent in the key in the keyhole procedure required for code change.

data can also be changed on a RFID card, but i doubt if its a rfid based security system, though you do have contact type rfid readers.

@ 4x4addict
mine is indeed a refresh model
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interesting. i think someone should really try this out & give us correct & accurate feedback. i cant since my baby is not refreshed!
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Yes Raj, it is worth enough to know what exactly is the technology used here.

Yeah, our rides are neither 'refreshed' nor 'electronically immobilised'
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He said the brakes will not work if the vehicle is moving downhill even though the engine is on.
Gee - so what was his way of stopping or braking when going downhill? I should be dead by now if that were the case

System-D : can you tell me whose product is this and whether it is a recommended additive by Mahindra to be used. So far I have been filling from Indian Oil the normal diesel.
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He said the brakes will not work if the vehicle is moving downhill even though the engine is on

I hope he is not a mole planted by rivals
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Gee - so what was his way of stopping or braking when going downhill? I should be dead by now if that were the case
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I hope he is not a mole planted by rivals
Or a Fortuner salesman recently shifted to M&M dealership
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System-D : can you tell me whose product is this and whether it is a recommended additive by Mahindra to be used. So far I have been filling from Indian Oil the normal diesel.
System-D for diesels and System-G for petrols are IFTEX products which are available at the Bharat Petroleum pumps. These are basically fuel additives, so check your manual if the manufacturer recommends its usage.
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