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Old 29th January 2012, 21:14   #1666
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Day 20
31st August 2011
Karzok - Debring - Key Long

AP swift on firm ground else where
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He is signalling why the hell are we kicking up lot of dust!
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Firm terrain ahead
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Manali Leh Express
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Moore plains are getting roads
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Dust all over
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Inconvenience Regretted!! Not Really, it was fun, we enjoyed every bit. Atleast that's why we drive on Moore Plains.
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Bikers too want their share of fun
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@HVK - we all look roasted!!!
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Old 29th January 2012, 21:31   #1667
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31st August 2011

Karzok - Debring - Key Long

We took a well deserved break at the end of Moore Plains
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Boy we sure love Moore plains!!
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All eyes on IPHE team
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Seriously true!
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Spikes on Mountain Slopes
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River flowing through
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The great loops ahead
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We reached Karo. Board says 15540 feet
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But we measured 14853!!
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Old 29th January 2012, 22:13   #1668
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We moved on
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Formations at Pang
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Spot the convoy contest
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The roads ahead
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Was this once a dangerous roaring water crossing? Seems tamed now
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Old 29th January 2012, 22:52   #1669
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Congratulations on your 3000th post, Lalu.
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We reached Karo. Board says 15540 feet
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Karo? Kya karoon? Is there a place called that too? Funny how the boards there have the English script but the words are in Hindi.
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Congratulations on your 3000th post, Lalu.

Karo? Kya karoon? Is there a place called that too? Funny how the boards there have the English script but the words are in Hindi.
Well, there is a KARU on the Upshi-Leh road (where you turn off for Chang la) and a KARO (check post) after you descend from Chang la towards Tangtse. This KARO is wierd - the one Lalu has photographed is at Pang. I hope the one I noted after Chang la is also not a Hindi KARO!!!

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Was this once a dangerous roaring water crossing? Seems tamed now
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That is the Kanglajal crossing which is 10 kms from Pang. You can see the water over the road, but in summer when the snow melts, it is virtually impossible to cross this after, say, noon, on a sunny day, because the water flow is very fierce and can often be 1-2 feet deep. During Jun-Jul period, this calls for planning crossing this point always in early morning. Those who leave Sarchu by 7 am can comfortably cross this point which is hardly 2.5-3 hours away, but those who leave from Leh in the morning may have some anxious moments since they will reach this point 8-10 hours after leaving Leh.

You can see from the photo above that even this late in the season - and at 1240 pm - the road is covered under water

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AS usual, I was setting a furious pace for the convoy because we had to reach Keylong before night fall to be on schedule. I am already high up, at least 5 minutes ahead of the rest of the 4-car convoy!

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That is the Kanglajal crossing which is 10 kms from Pang. You can see the water over the road, but in summer when the snow melts, it is virtually impossible to cross this after, say, noon, on a sunny day, because the water flow is very fierce and can often be 1-2 feet deep. During Jun-Jul period, this calls for planning crossing this point always in early morning. Those who leave Sarchu by 7 am can comfortably cross this point which is hardly 2.5-3 hours away, but those who leave from Leh in the morning may have some anxious moments since they will reach this point 8-10 hours after leaving Leh.
It is a deceptive little crossing. Have crossed it twice in the Swift late evening and was quite uncomfortable, especially last year. The problem is that with low light and water pretty high you can't see the correct line out of the crossing (towards Pang) and I got my left front stuck as a result in 2011. We have always preferred to halt at Pang, so the crossing inevitably comes in the evening.
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You can see the water over the road, but in summer when the snow melts, it is virtually impossible to cross this after, say, noon, on a sunny day, because the water flow is very fierce and can often be 1-2 feet deep. During Jun-Jul period, this calls for planning crossing this point always in early morning. Those who leave Sarchu by 7 am can comfortably cross this point which is hardly 2.5-3 hours away, but those who leave from Leh in the morning may have some anxious moments since they will reach this point 8-10 hours after leaving Leh
hvkumar ,

Same is the case with Pagal Nala , on the way to Pangong .
Impossible to cross after 10 in the moring and before 5 in the evening during summers !
There are usually military bulldozers put to work in the season in case of any eventuality !
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It is a deceptive little crossing. Have crossed it twice in the Swift late evening and was quite uncomfortable, especially last year. The problem is that with low light and water pretty high you can't see the correct line out of the crossing (towards Pang) and I got my left front stuck as a result in 2011. We have always preferred to halt at Pang, so the crossing inevitably comes in the evening.
Interestingly, both during our onward and return journeys, we crossed Kanglajal at 1230 pm!

Here is a comparative perspective of photos of the same spot on Aug 21 (onward) & Aug 31 (return):

Onward, Aug 21, around 1230 pm


Return, Aug 31, around 1230 pm


As codelust has pointed out, the crossing may look deceptive with sallow waters but there are nasty cracks/ crevasses in the "road" - as you can see from the water surging up in one corner of the crossing - and even SUVs can get stuck. We guided each car through this point so that they could avoid the pits and also not flounder in the current. After all, it is all driving technique and not simply brute power.


On the More Plains, you saw the KSM-vTEC Swift pulverise its way through the deep sand like a 4WD SUV, but the Anku Swift was not so lucky on onward journey:

Onward, Aug 21, around 330 pm


.....but look at him in Return, Aug 31, around 1100 am
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hvkumar ,

Same is the case with Pagal Nala , on the way to Pangong .
Impossible to cross after 10 in the moring and before 5 in the evening during summers !
There are usually military bulldozers put to work in the season in case of any eventuality !
Pagal Nullah is now history.
The BRO finally vanquished the rivulet and constructed a proper bailey bridge that means you need not go down through the water any more and the road t Pangong is motorable at all times of day and night.

During this trip, we passed Pagal Nullah at around 845 pm, and the first-timers were rather disappointed that Pagal was no more Pagal!

But to highlight what mobius 1 said, in earlier days, the Pagal Nullah crossing used to be like this - see video below, one of our Scorpios from the 2009 Leh trip crossing that section. You will note that the water is shallow at this time, and you can imagine how it will be when all the stones are covered with water - as it is, the Scorpio is rolling all over as it goes in and out of rocks.

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Day 20
31st August 2011
Karzok - Debring - Key Long

HVK doesn't care about the dust kicked up. He is only interested in getting the Swift out safely.

Swift encountering the soft sand
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As you can see from the photo here, I was desperately signalling to the KSM-vTEC Swift (which was following the BolBolero) to stop and divert since I found the sand too soft and definitely it would sink the Swift.




But I had under-estimated KSM-vTEC - oh man, this guy is someone you can pack off in a spacecraft to the Planet Pluto and he will be as cool as a cucumber He was not the type to say Die, and he decided to gun the Swift through the 2 feet deep sand, this is a photo which Maruti should be proud of, real pulsating OTR stuff - I guess this is what a man's Gypsy genes (KSM-vTEC used to own a Maruti Gypsy too!) can do to your confidence.....

@ Lalu - Thank you for capturing the Sand Dune bashing moments so well Lalu. Out of all in the group, you were the only one with this special ability.

@ Hvk - Sir, as you were looking at some un real driving skills demonstrated there in the sand. I almost felt as if i am navigating for Sebastian Loeb. I was bouncing all over the place on the co driver seat as all i could see on the windscreen was sand with KSM continuously making corrections using both his hands and legs on all driving instruments (Steering, Clutch, Accelerator, Brake). It reminded me of my late 2010 Porsche Cayenne Training Session in Dubai sand dunes where we had a professional driver showing us some brutal skills.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/intern...g-dubai-2.html (2011 Porsche Cayenne Training @ Dubai.)

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@ Lalu - Thanks a lot for the pics! that was one memorable section for obvious reasons and thanks to you for permanently capturing those moments!

@ HVK & doctorque - Thanks a lot for the kind words!! Well all i can say is that the situation demanded and pushed me to give my 100% at that moment.

Getting stuck there would have been extremely tricky firstly because we had less manpower now and obviously it would have almost impossible to backup the Scorpio/Bolero and toe the Swift out due the long stretch of soft sand. Also time was the most critical and scarce resource we had that day due to the petrol pump timing at Tandi. It was absolutely essential for us to refuel that day since we were planning to start really early the next day for obvious reasons.

So it was Gods grace and the great Maruti Swift that helped us that day!
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Day 20
31st August 2011
Karzok - Debring - Key Long

We reached Lachu Lung La by 13:15 hours
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Hero at Lachu Lung La
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Spot the vehicle contest
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Some formation on rock
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Looks like a window
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This river reminds you that you are near the Ghata loops
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Customary clicks of Ghata Loops
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HVK Scorpio near Ghata Loops
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We reached Sarchu by 15:30 hours and took a well deserved Lunch break for an hour
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We moved on from Sarchu by 16:30 hours
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Karzok - Debring - Key Long

Colourful Mountains
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We passed Whisky and Brandy Nullah and drove on

Clearing the roads for us
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We drove on, heavy in our hearts that we had left Ladakh behind for now
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Some snow is still around
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