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Old 29th August 2012, 17:41   #301
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Dear HVK and Team,

Have been following the thread for last few days, Hats off to u guys for taking on such an expedition. Stupendous TL and photos can't wait for more. Always thought there were just two routes(Pathankot- jammu and Manali- leh) to enter J&K. Opened my eyes to a whole new world out there. High on my list of things to-do. if could get the right co-pax to take on this challenge.

Interesting to think that are so many ways to get to Srinagar from the Punjab plains:

1. The conventional NH1A, Pathankot-Jammu-Udhampur-Patnitop-Batote-Jawahar Tunnel/Banihal Pass-Qazigund-Khanabal/Anantnag-Pampore-Srinagar

2. The unconventional route, Pathankot-Jammu-Udhampur-Patnitop-Batote-Doda-Kishtwar-Sinthan Top-Anantnag-Pampore-Srinagar

3. The Mughal Road, Pathankot-Jammu-Akhnoor-Rajouri-Bafliaz-Pir ki Gali-Shopian-Pulwana-Pampore-Srinagar

4. The dangerous route, Pathankot-Chamba-Kothi-Kyari-Bani-Sarthal-Chatergala-Bhaderwah-Doda-Kishtwar-Sinthan Top-Anantnag-Pampore-Srinagar

5. The even more dangerous route, Pathankot-Chamba-Kothi-Bairavgad-Sach Pass-Khillar-Tyari-Gulabgarh-Kishtwar-Sinthan Top-Anantnag-Pampore-Srinagar

6. The unfinished route, Pathankot-Chamba-Kothi-Langera-Paddari-Bhaderwah-Doda-Kishtwar-Sinthan Top-Anantnag-Pampore-Srinagar

7. The alternative to the chicken neck & Jammu, Pathankot-Ranjitsagar Dam-Manasar-Udhampur-Patnitop-Batote-Jawahar Tunnel/Banihal Pass-Qazigund-Khanabal/Anantnag-Pampore-Srinagar

P.S.....and I am not even considering coming via Manali & Leh...


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I have a Q5 2.0TDI, How do you think an automatic would fare on this route?
No doubt about its abilities.
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Old 29th August 2012, 18:58   #302
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The intersting thing about these two travels are that the direction of the journey seems to be in opposite direction and thus there are some questions ringing in the head about this leg of the journey-

It would be great if both HVK and adc give their point of view based on their experience on this road-

1. Which direction in your opinion is the harder and more trecherous one -
Killar Kistwar - seems that one is on the valley side of the road most of the time
Kistwar Killar - the side of the cliff (though the valley is just cms away)

2. Do you rate this as THE MOST DANGEROUS road in the world if not one THE MOST DANGEROUS road that you have driven in



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The only anxiety is that:
(a) car can break down, and you have no support
(b) you get stuck due to land slides, etc and you may get delayed or have to return the same way you came
(c) you get stuck because your car could not negotiate a bad section




A narrow edgy mountain road, HVK has pointed out, with slush changes the complete picture.

And more dangeroius was our return drive from Chandrataal with dusk approaching in the month of October 2010. No one goes around that time and with thewhole day spent trekking up to the lake, on return the slush was maximum with frozen ice now melting to make the track one slushy incline in places. We almost had it over the edge over there - with slush, the front wheels were pointing somewhere else and the rear of the Safari tyre was dragging itself to the mountain edge. We knew how barely we made it through to the tent at Bataal - even the owners were relieved to see us back again seeing that we were late in coming.

There is no video of that [!], but this picture of my co-passengers will give you an idea.

One could almost feel the tension in the faces, after that just about Chandertaal track drive in late evening, October, 2010
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So as said, slush is bad for driving on a mountain road, and the more of it is there and narrower the track and incline, difficulty gets multiplied.




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Interesting to think that are so many ways to get to Srinagar from the Punjab plains:




P.S.....and I am not even considering coming via Manali & Leh...

Thanks much for this list. GPS and its derivatives are most uncomfortable for me and pointwise list is what I needed - Oct 2013 we should be back on some of the other tracks.

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Of all the routes you mentioned, what is the fastest to get from Pathankot to Sriangar
I think this one
Pathankot-Dyala chak - udhampur-Tunnel-Srinagar... right?
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Of all the routes you mentioned, what is the fastest to get from Pathankot to Sriangar
I think this one
Pathankot-Dyala chak - udhampur-Tunnel-Srinagar... right?
Dyala Chak road is not in great shape this year, and in between cops were stopping non-JK cars from getting onto that road from either Dyala Chak or Samba. Now that the Lakhnapur-Jammu road is a superb 4-laner, one can reach Jammu in an hour from the PB-JK border.

After Jammu, the road widening slows down traffic till Udhampur. The traffic on the Jammu-Srinagar highway is a killer, on some days bumper-to-bumper thanks to trucks.

I am tempted to give a cheeky recommendation: I found the Mughal Road - via Shopian, Pir ki Gali, Bafliaz, Rajouri & Akhnoor very fast & absolutelya delight to drive on, I took just 7.15 hrs (after excluding a breakfast break of 45 mts en route at DKG). Even when I did a "superfast" drive from Srinagar to Jammu in Dec 2002, I took 6 hours on NH1A, and those were days with less traffic.
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Interesting to think that are so many ways to get to Srinagar from the Punjab plains:
Sir, no wonder why folks around here call you the human GPS!!

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Dyala Chak road is not in great shape this year, and in between cops were stopping non-JK cars from getting onto that road from either Dyala Chak or Samba. Now that the Lakhnapur-Jammu road is a superb 4-laner, one can reach Jammu in an hour from the PB-JK border.

After Jammu, the road widening slows down traffic till Udhampur. The traffic on the Jammu-Srinagar highway is a killer, on some days bumper-to-bumper thanks to trucks.

I am tempted to give a cheeky recommendation: I found the Mughal Road - via Shopian, Pir ki Gali, Bafliaz, Rajouri & Akhnoor very fast & absolutelya delight to drive on, I took just 7.15 hrs (after excluding a breakfast break of 45 mts en route at DKG). Even when I did a "superfast" drive from Srinagar to Jammu in Dec 2002, I took 6 hours on NH1A, and those were days with less traffic.
Thanks for this info.
Regarding Udhampur or Samba bypass, they are always closed whenever there is Amarnath Yatra rush going on. However, in september, you will mostly find them open.
So what do you say

Pathankot - Jammu-Udhampur-Srinagar is faster or if I take dyala chak or Samba bypass, that is faster?

If I take normal route, do we need to go through Jammu town(slow traffic), or is there some mini bypass.

With a 8am start from Pathankot, is it possible to reach Srinagar by 4pm, considering minimal breaks.
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Thanks for this info.
Regarding Udhampur or Samba bypass, they are always closed whenever there is Amarnath Yatra rush going on. However, in september, you will mostly find them open.
So what do you say

Pathankot - Jammu-Udhampur-Srinagar is faster or if I take dyala chak or Samba bypass, that is faster?

If I take normal route, do we need to go through Jammu town(slow traffic), or is there some mini bypass.

With a 8am start from Pathankot, is it possible to reach Srinagar by 4pm, considering minimal breaks.

There is a bypass and you dont have to go through Jammu town. If you start at 8 from Pathankot, then you can make it by 6pm.
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Regarding Udhampur or Samba bypass, they are always closed whenever there is Amarnath Yatra rush going on. However, in september, you will mostly find them open.
So what do you say
For some mysterious reasons, there were cops posted in both the Dyala Chak & Samba junctions to prevent out-state vehicles from using the direct Udhampur (short-cut road) even after the Yatra ended. One of my friends drove on this route, but from Chamba direct via Ranjitsagar Dam. He reported that the road is rough, still narrow.


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Pathankot - Jammu-Udhampur-Srinagar is faster or if I take dyala chak or Samba bypass, that is faster?

If I take normal route, do we need to go through Jammu town(slow traffic), or is there some mini bypass.

With a 8am start from Pathankot, is it possible to reach Srinagar by 4pm, considering minimal breaks.
After the widening of the NH1A, it is a sheer pleasure to drive on the Lakhanpur-Jammu 4-laned road. My timings for this 97 kms last month were as follows:

Onward journey:
Lakhanpur 245 am - Jammu 340 am,
Jammu 610 am - Udhampur 730 am

Return journey:
Jammu 330 pm - Lakhanpur 455 pm


So you can see that the road via Jammu is very fast nowadays, despite the Dyala Chak-Udhampur route being lesser in distance by 35-40 kms.

Jammu has a good bypass, so you won't go through any messy traffic. After 4-laning, even the approach to Jammu is less cluttered.

You may face delays, if at all, after Jammu towards Udhampur, where road widening work is in full swing.

Will you reach Srinagar by 2 pm? Well, that is possible, but traffic flows on this highway are not predictable, sometimes it is very highly-trafficked.

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We were up and steady by 06:00AM.

I check out behind the house and found the stream
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There's a typical local house

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Free range chicken
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HVK checking the locale

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Madam Safari and Scorpio loves their rest time
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HVK Scorpio
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Went to the stream

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Horsies
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Cricket is a favourite game here too

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Found Agent Vinod and HVK near the teashop. Agent Vinod camouflages himself every time.
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There's a temple
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HVK checks it out
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Some clicks of the greenery
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The two legendary vehicles
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HVK Scorpio and madam Safari
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HVK Scorpio has done over 3.15 lakhs kilometres and Madam Safari over 1.35 lakhs kilometres. Both these legendary vehicles have travelled to almost all regions in India

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