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Old 23rd April 2013, 11:27   #16
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My comments are not specific to only this drive but any other where in the name of fun, people care a hoot for the natural world. Period.

What is the meaning of 'bloating things out of proportion'?

There is a separate thread on kids driving super cars, may I ask why so many people felt the doing was wrong when no outward incident happened and the kid seemed to be controlling the car pretty well. Would you advocate that as a talent or sheer stupidity??

vinair,

I really do not want to bicker on this, but there is no comparision here. The kid driving a super car was clearly breaking rules, and I am assuming you know the rule I am talking about here!
Also, please refrain from making comments on people caring a hoot about the natural world, without knowing the people involved here (and please read my post above)! And finally, lets please stop this in this thread, at least. Feel free to open an new thread in the appropriate section, where we can discuss this in detail, if required.
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Guderian, loved the starting post. Wish you guys had gone in better weather though (monsoon/post monsoon?); would have been greeeeen. I really wonder though about the idea behind deer parks in this country - we seem to have too many of them, starting from deer parks bang in the middle of cities to the sort of park you guys went to - and it seems very weird to have parks exclusively for deer (some varieties are nowwhere close to being endengered), especially when this big an area can sustain mix of animals (as the park looks big).

But this park must look like candy store for a tiger.
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vinair,

I really do not want to bicker on this, but there is no comparision here. The kid driving a super car was clearly breaking rules, and I am assuming you know the rule I am talking about here!
Also, please refrain from making comments on people caring a hoot about the natural world, without knowing the people involved here (and please read my post above)! And finally, lets please stop this in this thread, at least. Feel free to open an new thread in the appropriate section, where we can discuss this in detail, if required.
You said it mate, rules, irrespective of whether it is written or unwritten are to be respected and at times, when there aren't any rules at all, use your judgement to the best of the situation. In this thread, I did not find anything amusing and have taken liberty to voice my critical views. Thanks!

Mods - Feel free to modify or delete my comments

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And that is when the group decided that something had to be done. And one had to up the ante considerably. And go to a spot so wild and dangerous that it should put an end to mildly dangerous outings.

.......

After a lot of search and discussions with experts, the name of 'the' place to
visit was suddenly thrown up. And there was a gasp of fear from the listeners on the other side of the phone.

...............
Heh heh - what an opening post.... I was guessing Borivilli National park halfway down the post, could not have guessed the real destination . Interesting and nice narrative.
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Heh heh - what an opening post.... I was guessing Borivilli National park halfway down the post, could not have guessed the real destination . Interesting and nice narrative.
Yep that is what I had guessed as well. BTW the SG National Park atleast has Tigers & Lions.

Superb Narration. And a nice Idea for me to go on an outing from Ghodbunder Road. But this will require a group and a group of Aria's from Thane is probably near impossible - Will have to go Multi Brand.
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I've been reading the posts with amusement and more so that of your's Vinair.

In all humility I've to state that I've been roaming the jungles of North-India for the last several years and have been witness to all kinds of tourists - good & bad.

Certain sanctuaries allow private vehicles and some do not. Incidentally Tadoba & Pench are amongst the one that allow private vehicles, but, but under strict rules & supervision and by law a guide is a must.

Barring a few, most who visit the sanctuaries are sensible and educated and in no way disturb the fauna or the flora.

Let me assure you that it is the tourism that has kept the poaching in check and tourism is very necessary for the survival of the jungles.

Now coming to your grouse, the people who visited the Silvaasa Deer Park did not interfere or disturb the eco-system. The deer sanctuary is not a private one but a state sponsored park that encourages tourism. Had there been any eco-imbalance the authorities surely would have stepped in to take corrective measures.

The matter should end here now as any further discussion will be futile and acrimonious since it has no substance or base. If you feel so strongly about tourism in sanctuaries, I suggest you read Valmik Thapar, Dr. Ullhas Karanth or the Late Fateh Singhji. Maybe that would help you to calm down and change the perception.

And just for the record, kids driving supercars is a blatant show of wealth, arrogance and total disregard to the rules. And I would neither advocate it as a talent or sheer stupidity but rather categorise it as faulty upbringing of them and their parents.

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My comments are not specific to only this drive but any other where in the name of fun, people care a hoot for the natural world. Period.

What is the meaning of 'bloating things out of proportion'?

There is a separate thread on kids driving super cars, may I ask why so many people felt the doing was wrong when no outward incident happened and the kid seemed to be controlling the car pretty well. Would you advocate that as a talent or sheer stupidity??
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Old 23rd April 2013, 13:03   #22
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(Disclaimer: In the post below and snaps therein none of the animals appearing in the above referred to snaps and reproduced below were compelled to pose for the said snaps or compelled to act in any way contrary to their normal & natural behaviour. None of the animals were injured during the shoot or were given any junk food or any unnatural inducements to attract their attention or in any way scared, coerced or cajoled for the said purpose. No flora including leaves, flowers (if any in whole or parts - petals, sepals, stamens, pollen-shollen etc) were disturbed or raked about any time. All vehicles were PUC cleared and had no oil leaks or any other fluid leaks. None of the members had a leak or discharged any other effluent (liquid, solid or gaseous) inside the park despite the fearsome sorroundings and animals. All materials taken in were taken out and only matter of the park to be taken out of the park were the memories of the park and the drive within.
The above statement is being made to the best of my current understanding and with information currently made available to me.)


Some unpublished snaps from the drive.

That's SD1 disappearing behind a tree - SDPT1.
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Thats's SD2 with SD3.
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Shhh...(in whisper)...that's SD4.
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SD4 appeared to be rather woebegone and sickly because his mate SD45 (not shown) had left him for SDs36&27 (not shown).
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We trailed the droppings (pellets) and ungulate (hoof) marks and suddenly in the distance - SD5 ! SD5 had been relocated from the northern end to the southern end after it got into a fight with SD 63 (not shown):
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These are SDs - 39 to 54: (Figures on the posts not numbered or counted by park officials)
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Might come back here to see if I can spot SDs 72, 63, 18 & 54.

Glossary:
SD - Silvassa Deer.
SDPT - Silvassa Deer Park Tree.


At the clearing - the grounds were left clean:
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Manish's (BHP) vehicle - Interiors were thoroughly checked. A nice camping table in that aluminium case, numerous number plates ( a quick check by concerned members showed it had the same number, the one borne by the vehicle !), tow ropes, odds and ends.
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While most of the great snaps showed the concave side of the line up - here's one of the convex side. Furious activity on away from the glare of the cameras !
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Aloha !

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Seriously, what a miss by the forest department!

With the SDs stalking the Fortuners and intimidating them at every nook and corner, the forest department had every opportunity to conduct a worry-free free consensus and get the statistics in order using the very ordeal of the Fortuners to their advantage.

This is how we civilians try to help the government bodies inadvertently. However, the said bodies do not care a dime about it. I say, the Fortuners should have been rewarded with atleast a liter to their guzzling hearts with the work they did selflessly or atleast simbly humbly paid for their next service having taken the deadly trails.
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What a wonderful Sunday it was, 6 Fortuners rolling together on busy NH8 and exploring the silvassa deer park trail.

Lots of fortuner discussion over breakfast and a mid-way break while driving back.

The drive back to mumbai was fast with minimum traffic.

Nice meeting the gang again. kudos to ahmed and salman who drove from aurangabad, venkat and monaro who drove from pune and guderian,karan and myself. (the mumbai gang)

Kedar Unfortunately missed this one.

Some pictures from my end
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Though I am in a hospital right now where my father is about to go for a brain surgery tomorrow - I am following this thread as it is growing - and yes - I know that I am late in uploading my share of the snaps. Please 'adjust' !
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Though I am in a hospital right now...
Hi Ahmed - Our prayers and good wishes are with your Dad, you and your family.
Thank you & Salman for joining the drive in spite of all the personal pressures.
Of course we shall wait for the final snaps from your camera - which has become some sort of a tradition here ! Best for the last I guess.

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What a wonderful Sunday it was, 6 Fortuners rolling together on busy NH8 and exploring the silvassa deer park trail.
Some pictures from my end
Thank you for snaps BHP and the pithy write up.

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Seriously, what a miss by the forest department!
parsh - Well those Deer were rather intimidating. Especially the chap who can looking for the reindeer's assignment for X'Mas. Wouldn't get the message that I wasn't Santa C ! And no the census wouldn't be possible at all given the ferocity of the dear deer.
They might radio collar them soon.

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Will have to go Multi Brand.
Loved that quip ACM !

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Heh heh - what an opening post.... I was guessing Borivilli National park halfway down the post, could not have guessed the real destination . Interesting and nice narrative.
Thank you sach.sri. The thought of BNP didn't even cross our minds for the reason that we had a perception that all you find the the NP are a couple of moth eaten lions and tigers and anyway you aren't allowed to take your vehicles in perhaps.

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Guderian, loved the starting post.
But this park must look like candy store for a tiger.
Thank you Manolin.
Oh you bet that the park would be one great candy store for the Ts. But then the deer here aren't going to give up without a fight and those antlers would be put to good use for sure and I also get this feeling that the Ts might retreat sooner than later in the face of a determined onslaught by the numbers. And we were just lucky to have moved out without any major incident.

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It indeed was a great drive to Silvassa Deer Park.
Thank you Karan561 !
Gracias for identifying the spot and the route plan. Worked out very well and well executed to the T. Timings, RPs everything very well nailed.

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Jungle safari of a different kind !
Thank you Monaro CV8. And a good write up too.
You, Venkat & Ahmed had the tough end - driving down from Pune & Aurangabad and getting back in a day. Good show indeed of some disciplined and yet thrilling driving all through.

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With the kind of ferocious looks given to Fortuners...
parsh - I tell you that that particular deer was all ready to charge and rearrange the furnitute in the lead Fortuner (Karan561's), we then prayed to all the Deer Gods and with all humility drove past the angy deer who let us pass, giving us baleful looks. And then we decided not to take chances ever and read the animal signs carefully in future. Added to our ranger experience.

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I know a nice colonial bungalow in a tea estate that also has a nice offroading trail. Throw in campfires, gaurs, leopards etc.
That sounds very interesting indeed Nilanjan. Might take you up on that offer sometime soon.
And we did have a B&W specialist in the drive group - Venkat !

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1. Do I smell a hint of jealousy?
2. I strongly, vey strongly, rather very very strongly protest and object to this statement.
3.This is HOWLarious.
1. Not quite dear chap - just a sense of pity for the low quality thrills out there in your corner of the woods and a deeper sense of pity for the animals who put up with repeated incursions into their territory. They are now planning as to what to do with the trespassers into their abode just as the Indian Army is figuring out as to what is to be done with the Chinese intruders in the Ladakh region.

2. No need to - was just praising the quality of snaps, some of which look out of the world, and the ones with the missing tigers look - well, no comments !

3. Yes, facts can be funny at times.

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Thanks HG for the awesome write-up, really hilarious! Here are a few pics from my side...
The Black and Whites
Thank you Venkat. Great snaps. Delighted to learn that we have another Fortuner owner who is a B&W specialist. A foray to the south into the marauding elephant territory with two B&W aficionados on a moonlit night should now be quite...eerie. And the snaps ghostly !

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Thank you Venkat. Great snaps. Delighted to learn that we have another Fortuner owner who is a B&W specialist. A foray to the south into the marauding elephant territory with two B&W aficionados on a moonlit night should now be quite...eerie. And the snaps ghostly !
I am ok with elephants and big cats and bisons. Deers, now they scare me. I wouldn't have risked my vehicle on this drive you guys did.
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I am ok with elephants and big cats and bisons. Deers, now they scare me. I wouldn't have risked my vehicle on this drive you guys did.
Touche' Nilanjan . As evident in Guderian's narrative, we were petrified of it as well, but forged ahead, believing blindly in the old adage "Safety in numbers". And scary as it was, we did manage to make it safely through. Big cats and elephants, bah, a walk in the park!
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This pic should sort all the controversy

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^ Its official now
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This pic should sort all the controversy
Its official now
You mean deer from other places are allowed to come and 'visit' the deer in this park and hence the 'visiting' time board ?
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