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Old 16th April 2009, 17:52   #196
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IMHO, there is no point in discussing whose fault or error is this. We are not present on that turn where accident happened. Even Arindam was taking Power Nap.

It is true that daily thousands of vehicle must be crossing that turn, but this unfortunate event happened within blink of a second.

GSMINC was sporting Michelin XM1+ with decent alloys in his car. Even that did not help.
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Old 16th April 2009, 18:53   #197
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Its really sad to see the run end in such a way, imagine loosing a car!! But on the other hand I am glad that both of them are safe and sound.

Also a special praise for Ramky for helping the guys out in whatever possible way he could (depsite being tied down professionally and personnaly) This makes me feel proud to be part of this family.

My learning from all this:- however good the roads are I should stay within the speed in which I can handle my car. It can all happen in a blink of an eye.
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Old 16th April 2009, 21:20   #198
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My learning from all this:- however good the roads are I should stay within the speed in which I can handle my car. It can all happen in a blink of an eye.
You said it ! I have been through a couple of nasty incidents recently and fully vouch for that. Everything will be hunky dory on the highway with you doing some breakneck speeds but to bring that to a grinding halt,it just takes a split second.

Let us all learn from this and be very safe and careful at high speeds and the best thing is to maintain a speed where you are in absolute confidence which is the most important point of this learning
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Felt very bad to see this indecent. I was watching this thread till Basu was in Delhi. Suddenly this accident :(
Thanks God every one is safe. Hats off to ramky for all his help.
I don't know how they design the road... Or why dont they change the course of the route if it is a accident prone. Bad design BY NHAI.

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Felt very bad to see this indecent. I was watching this thread till Basu was in Delhi. Suddenly this accident :(
Thanks God every one is safe. Hats off to ramky for all his help.
I don't know how they design the road... Or why dont they change the course of the route if it is a accident porn. Bad design BY NHAI.
Yes, Design Overlooking by NHAI.

I feel every stretch of road has its in-built speed limit. I feel 100kmph (overall) is the ideal speed that our roads govern.
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the best thing is to maintain a speed where you are in absolute confidence which is the most important point of this learning
well said Avi , but problem is most drivers (I include myself) heighten their confidence and ability levels based on the car they are sat in. And in this manner they forget their own.
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Am extremely sad that our own fellow members were fated to experience this. However, the silver lining lies in their safety. As someone rightly pointed out that it will take sometime for them to overcome the nightmare and start driving "normally" again. Wish both of them the best in putting the accident behind.

Ramkya1 has proven that humanity exists. And exists abundantly amongst this forum members. I salute his spirit. Bravo!

Whilst the discussion seems to have digressed a bit to driving on the mountainous terrain especially those with good roads, it might be worth i thought to narrate my own latest experience. Am just back from holidaying in Greece. My experience driving a left handed car (first time ever) on the winding but good hilly roads in the island of Crete is that it is easy to get carried away only to realise the hazards while negotiating a sharp turn. By far, my experience of driving on the hilly roads in India has been less risk prone.

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I have been following the progress of the GQ Run II with interest and was dismayed to learn about the accident. Glad to know that everyone is safe. I am sorry about the car though.

@ Ramkya - It is people like you, with your unstinting support, who make TBHP such a great place - lifting it beyond being just another forum. Hats off to you Sir.

Cheers,
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My learning from all this:- however good the roads are I should stay within the speed in which I can handle my car. It can all happen in a blink of an eye.
In another thread we was discussing the same issue. A person can guarantee that his/her car do a 200KM/hrs but our Indian road cant guarantee you.
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Old 17th April 2009, 01:16   #205
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+1 for that..............

Someone commented on the thread that the quality of road is poor. I would disagree with it. The quality of road is VERY good. The terrain is such that the longish turns are on undulating hilly terrain. Making it difficult to provide adequate banking on corners. The signage is absent (Ramky mentioned they have just put some a few days back). My experience says signage is absent across most of GQ. What say Ramky, Mjyothi, HVK, Khan Sultan?
The roads on this risky section has one of the best surfaces, smooth, most of the time maintained well, the gutters on the side facilitate quick drainage and hence water rarely damages the section. The yellow reflectors, sign boards are pretty good here, they have put ADDITIONAL signs on this section 15 days back and added metal barricades on the dividers for 2-3 Kms near the police station where this took place. Perhaps what they need to do is to introduce well planned rumble strips with warning signs 1-2 kms away and flashing ambers in the night to warn. From what I have seen from our GQ run, the signages on most places were good, the best being on the toll roads like expressway.

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Felt ........... I don't know how they design the road... Or why dont they change the course of the route if it is a accident porn. Bad design BY NHAI.
Changing the course is difficult here, unless they do something like the Mumbai-Pune expressway with elevated roads, which would push up the toll sky high.

When you fly to Delhi from Ahmedabad, on a clear day, you can see from above how difficult this section is (you can google it to have a feel), cutting through the mountains and widening took a lot of time and doing. Of course, there is always scope for improvement in signages, safety measures etc.,

Knowing the limits to which you can push your vehicle on straights and curves is THE SKILL; that extra nudge on the right pedal makes all the difference between a happy ending and a sad one. Anyone can press the accelerator, needs lots of restraint to lay off when the temptation hits you. I know this is more easily said than done.

In retrospect, after an accident everything looks so logical and easy, in a flash even the best of drivers can succumb to a human error where he has to make a split-second decision.

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Knowing the limits to which you can push your vehicle on straights and curves is THE SKILL; that extra nudge on the right pedal makes all the difference between a happy ending and a sad one. Anyone can press the accelerator, needs lots of restraint to lay off when the temptation hits you. I know this is more easily said than done.

In retrospect, after an accident everything looks so logical and easy, in a flash even the best of drivers can succumb to a human error where he has to make a split-second decision.

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I completely agree. I myself was a victim to the temptation to press hard. Taking my esteem to 120 in third gear gave me the kicks only to end up not able to stop when a moped jumped lines. Everything was fine, I knew my car, I knew the road, what I did not know was someone can jump in front of the road like that. What happened later is anybodys guess. Thankfully no one was fatally injured though the moped was a total loss and esteem suffering quite a lot of damage - though cosmetic.

My lesson learnt was - on Indian roads, it is not you, it is not your car, it's the unpredictable next moment you have - constantly. This reduces my speed quite a lot now. It is better to be safe than sorry.
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Old 17th April 2009, 09:58   #207
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I think we should not be starting a blame game now, nevertheless its a learning for all of us on possibly driving within limits because of the "Unknown" factor which could spring a surprise.

What bugs me now is , there have been a lot of queries in the forum over time on Delhi - Mumbai route which have been answered but at no point I have read about this dangerous stretch, considering the number of accidents which happen ,members should possibly warn about this stretch when ever a query is raised on the Delhi - Ahmedabad route.
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Yes, Design Overlooking by NHAI.

I feel every stretch of road has its in-built speed limit. I feel 100kmph (overall) is the ideal speed that our roads govern.

Most of the guys at NHAI are aware of each and every roads and its drawbacks, you talk to them and they can pin point you the exact location of this accident with reasons and no. of accidents taken place etc.

I have been following on this thread and was very happy till I heard of this accident. Thank god both of them are safe. With this I can only once again say Guys Drive Safe.
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Has GSMInc returned to Bangalore? Any updates on the vehicle?
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Old 17th April 2009, 10:39   #210
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When you fly to Delhi from Ahmedabad, on a clear day, you can see from above how difficult this section is (you can google it to have a feel), cutting through the mountains and widening took a lot of time and doing. Of course, there is always scope for improvement in signages, safety measures etc.,
Ramkya sir: Is this the section you are talking about ? Did the accident occured in the border area marked in a circle?

I am planning a trip to Ajmer from Pune & will be travelling first time in gujrat.

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