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Old 5th August 2010, 23:26   #46
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So Bhai Jaan, should we plan the Sar Pass trek via YHAI together in May 2011? Would be good fun.
If i'm not wrong, this is the same trek you did last time?
I would definitely love to do this. (i'm worried about the medical cert. though)

Also, i was planning for a trek with YHAI this winter (nov/dec) not decided yet.

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deky, great job. great photos. I think I have to plan a similar trip soon.
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Default Day5- Leh-KahrdungLa- Siachin Basecamp- Panamik- Partapur

Our Xylo had developed a snag hence we were sent a Scorpio Taxi this morning. Fitting all of us that is 7 adults (5 of us + driver + Liaison Officer) and the baby was a bit difficult but we had to manage it somehow.

Initially when the plan was made before the beginning of the trip, today was the last day in Leh. As per the original plan we would be crossing over to Nubra and coming back to Leh the same night. But since the disturbance in the Kashmir valley did not seem to abate it was decided that we will increase one day here and reduce a day in Srinagar.

So as per the new plan today we would be crossing over KhardungLa to Nubra see Siachin base camp and Panamik and spend the night in Partapur.

So the journey started at around 0900 hrs and we crossed Leh palace. It was a pretty dull day but we were all very cheerfull as we would be crossing the highest motorable pass in the world.
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KhardungLa frog, a nice outcome of an human's imagination.
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Leh valley as we went higher and higher.
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The roads till here were pretty good and we crossed South Pullu in no time.
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Now the roads got bad and it was taking a lot of time to negotiate through the potholes. But KhardungLa was not very far off.
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If its an achievement going up to KhardungLa on a 4 wheeler, its a bigger achievement to do it on a 2-wheeler. But how about on a 2- wheeler run on human power than on engine power?? For me this was really a WOW moment!!
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India Gate, Nice name I would say.
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At KhardungLa finally and it did feel nice. The cup of tea was definitely needed as it was pretty cold. Nowhere close to freezing but still.
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Unfortunately my daughter was fast asleep again and I wanted her to play in the snow. So I had to go and play in the snow on my own.
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There was lots of snow around but I was looking forward to finding some icicles but there were none.
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This was a great picnic spot we noticed.
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But North Pullu was around the corner and there some hot tea and Pakoda's were waiting for us.
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No mineral water can beat this water fresh water for purity.
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Now we were in Nubra valley, but unfortunately I was sitting on the hill side (left side)of the vehicle and the valley was mostly on the right side, hence not so many pics till we returned.
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This is the point where there is a road that takes you to Pangong without having to come back to Leh
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The going was slow as there was a lot of upcoming traffic from the opposite side. Actually HH Dalai Lama was there in Deskit for the last day today and lots of locals were coming back after visiting him. Khalsar village at a distance.
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Khalsar was our lunch stop. We had maggie, boiled eggs and omlettes.
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After Khalsar the road was much better. From this point the road bifurcates and the left road takes you to Deskit and if you take the right side road, this bridge over Shyok will take you to Panamik and Sasoma.
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Sumur village on the way was very picturesque. The only problem here was that the young kids throw buckets of water on the traffic (some sort of game) so you had to have your windows rolled up.
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We crossed Panamik and reached Sasoma and from there we were escorted to Siachin Base camp. Siachin Base camp is at a heihght of around 10,000ft only. Every solider posted in the region has to spend 90 days at the Glacier, and before being deputed at the glacier has to undergo training here at the base camp. The training here includes climbing ice walls, using crampons, survival techniques etc etc. It was a over whelming to see soldiers training for our safety in such horrible conditions.

Photography was prohibited here hence I kept the camera inside the vehicle just incase I got tempted to sneak a photo.

We were on our way back to Panamik now. Since it was late in the afternoon, lots of snow had melted during the day and all water was rushing down the roads now.
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But the scenery all around was mind blowing.
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Panamik is known for its sulphar/ boric springs. This is the point where the spring originates
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These springs are know to cure various skin diseases and any aches and pains in the bones. Though the bathrooms are under construction at the spring I decided to go and have a bath in the old tank room. The water was really really warm but slowly and steadily you get used to it.

We were warned by our driver to move faster as he was afraid that the road might be blocked due to mud slide/ water if we made it any later.

But the inevitable had happened. We came to a point where it was a complete circus on the roads. Again the melting water had washed away a huge part of the road and there were lots of vehicles stuck on the either side.
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The worst part was that this was more like quick sand so more you pressed on to it the deeper you went.

This pick up tried to go around and got stuck. The tyres had no traction left and were just spinning helplessly. Finally it had to be pushed out by the locals. I must say that the locals are ever ready to help.
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Then the gypsy tried and it crossed it one go. Thanks to 4X4??
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No I think it was the driving technique as this santro also crossed in the first attempt.
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Or was it just that the other vehicles were light? As we got stuck as soon as we tried to cross. We had to act quickly as the water level was rising and the vehicle was going deeper and deeper inside with each passing minute.
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We had to find a way out and I went looking for help.
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Locals were all ready to oblige and around 10-12 of them came to push us out of the mess.

As the sun was setting we proceeded to Partapur, our place to stay for the night.
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deky, the drive from Panamik to Siachen Base Camp must have been exciting, a no-no for most civilians. Is the Base Camp in Sasoma? How long did the drive take? How were the landscapes? I suppose these places are possible to go only with army's permission?
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Hi Dheeraj,

Siachin base camp!! Now that's impressive not something we hear of in "family trips".

I guess that's due to your army background.

How do you travel there btw? I mean do you go from Panamik via road only all the way or are you airlifted?
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deky, the drive from Panamik to Siachen Base Camp must have been exciting, a no-no for most civilians. Is the Base Camp in Sasoma? How long did the drive take? How were the landscapes? I suppose these places are possible to go only with army's permission?
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Hi Dheeraj,

Siachin base camp!! Now that's impressive not something we hear of in "family trips".

I guess that's due to your army background.

How do you travel there btw? I mean do you go from Panamik via road only all the way or are you airlifted?
1. The road from Panamik leads to Sasoma and then a village I think called Vashi ( Dont remeber the name properly) and then to the base camp. Its about 45 mnts from Sasoma. We went by road.

2. The base camp is in a bowl. the climate is as warm or as cold as Panamik but there are a few big big ice walls where the Army guys do their training.

3. The mouth of the glacier can be seen from here, infact there are 3 glaciers that are visible and those are, the northern glacier, the central glacier and the southern glacier.

4. No civilains are allowed here, and we had to take special special permissions.

5. From the base camp the Indian Army guys have to climb 6 more camps on foot to reach the actual glacier.

6. There are helipads and helicopter sorties to the glacier but are used only for casualties and maintenance.
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Bapu, Rahul of 60kph tried to get Sasoma permit and was denied. I guess only special permission will get you there.
But with Turtuk now open to tourists(we were issues permits without trouble) maybe after a short while even Sasoma will be allowed.
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Just saw google maps.
It shows the route to Siachen through Sasoma, Kimi, Gompa, Warshi.
And google maps state that Siachen is in Pakistan. India should take this up seriously with google about our borders.
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Bapu, Rahul of 60kph tried to get Sasoma permit and was denied. I guess only special permission will get you there.
But with Turtuk now open to tourists(we were issues permits without trouble) maybe after a short while even Sasoma will be allowed.
Thanks Tanveer

Just updating my info. This is the 1st travelogue that I have seen which talks about Sasoma and Siachin Base camp. Just wondering how the scenery is enroute.

Dheeraj - any clicks of the route till the base camp?

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1. The road from Panamik leads to Sasoma and then a village I think called Vashi ( Dont remeber the name properly) and then to the base camp. Its about 45 mnts from Sasoma. We went by road.
Thanks MX6, it is Warshi then and not Vashi as I mentioned in my post

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Just saw google maps.
It shows the route to Siachen through Sasoma, Kimi, Gompa, Warshi.
And google maps state that Siachen is in Pakistan. India should take this up seriously with google about our borders.
I cant open google maps on my computer. Can you please post a screen shot?

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google maps for most of ladakh are wrong. You are better off checking openstreetmap.
For example google map draws a highway to manali to leh through hanle!
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For all I know Siachen is completely under Indian control and is within our LoC. But in google maps, LoC abruptly ends and Siachen is also now falling in unknown territory which google maps blatantly represents as Pakistan.

Here's a screenshot you requested Deky.
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Checked this analysis between google and OSM. Huge difference.
MX there Garmin installer avaailable for India maps at the OSM site. It install OSM into Mapsource. Try that.


Deky the snaps are vivid and nice.
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Dheeraj - any clicks of the route till the base camp?
We were categorically told about no photography after we were escorted from Sasoma. Hence I would not like to break the trust of the people who gave us permissions. Hope you understand.

The scenery from Sasoma to base camp is similar to what I have already posted.

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For all I know Siachen is completely under Indian control and is within our LoC. But in google maps, LoC abruptly ends and Siachen is also now falling in unknown territory which google maps blatantly represents as Pakistan.

Here's a screenshot you requested Deky.
Thanks MX6. From what I was told and what I could understand some part of the glacier is also in POK and some part in Aksai Chin. Lol...wohi to saari fight hai boss!!!

But I agree Google should not say Siachen Glacier, Pak.
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We were categorically told about no photography after we were escorted from Sasoma. Hence I would not like to break the trust of the people who gave us permissions. Hope you understand.

The scenery from Sasoma to base camp is similar to what I have already posted.
Sir, Fully understand and appreciate.

From your initial post, i felt you were not supposed to take pictures after you reached base camp.

I have had the pleasure of interacting with our forces personnel in Ladakh and they have been very very helpful ( to say the least!).

Please do carry forward with your trip. Awaiting updates!
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