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Old 15th November 2009, 20:32   #391
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Suggest 185/60 R14's. Esp since you have the 1.6.

The ride will be much better than with stock tyres. Steering might feel a lil heavy initially, but you will soon like it.
That sounds exiting. Thanks Matey!
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Condor, first of all, you upsized from 175/70 R13.

Secondly, ride will be worse on 185/60 R14 as there is less rubber between the car and the road. Of course, to some extent, this can be compensated by good quality tyres like Michelin, etc.... but the sidewall will be smaller.
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Hi folks,

For ANHC, the suggested tyre upgrade is 195/60/R15 (from 175/65/R15). I guess the difference of just about 1% in circumference (read from tyre bible) should be fine?

The best part is the rise in GC by 6mm. What are the positives or negatives with this upgrade? (Other than the possibility that the rise in GC might save the belly from scraping a few large speed breakers?). Will there be differences in handling and ride for good or bad?

If the car is expected to come with Michelin Energy, what is the best price one can get for them? Is Michelin Primacy LC the best option in 195/60/R15? My preference is comfort and long life. What would be the cost?

Thanks a bunch for your responses...

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The Primacy LC is good for comfort. It doesnt give you that much steering feedback though. You could also look at the ES100s or the Conti CPC2s. The ES100s will get noisy after a while for sure. Apart from that, it is good. The Conti CPC2 is a good all rounder.

Conti would be around 4.4k while the Michelin would be around 4.9k. The ES100s would be around 4k. Apollo Aceleres are around 3.6k
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Nikhilb2008 : Condor, first of all, you upsized from 175/70 R13.

Secondly, ride will be worse on 185/60 R14 as there is less rubber between the car and the road. Of course, to some extent, this can be compensated by good quality tyres like Michelin, etc.... but the sidewall will be smaller.
@Nikhil, yes - I did upsize from 175/70 R13 to 185/60 R14 (you should know - you helped me with that !).

But :
Why should ride get worse ?
Why should there be LESS rubber, esp since the tyre is now wider ?

I feel more comfortable with the wider tyres than the narrower stock ones.

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Nikhilb2008 : Conti would be around 4.4k while the Michelin would be around 4.9k. The ES100s would be around 4k. Apollo Aceleres are around 3.6k
@Nikhil, I think AC is asking for the buy-back price while you seem to have quoted the price of a new tyre

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shiva tyres on new bel road owned by Mr Anil is not the same that it was initially. His tyre stock is a no contest from any other dealer, but attitude sure has changed. His prices too are not low any more
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My Dzire VDI is expected any moment. One of friend suggested I visit Shiva's as I would like to get my stock tyres exchanged for the Turanzas. This is what Mr. Anil offered:
- Price for the stock (JK Tornado): Rs. 1000/- each
- Price for the Turanza: Rs. 3700/- each
- Net Deal: 2700/= X 5 = 13500/-

My cousin happens to know the boss of Iyengar Tyre Clinic on the Ring Road in Banashankari:
- Price for the stock: Rs. 1400/- each
- Price for the Turanza: Rs. 3200/- each
- Net Deal: 2700/= X 5 = 9000/-

That is a whopping 4.5K difference between the 2 dealers...I guess the figures above say it all. I did not bargain with Iyengar, they have a fixed price.
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Condor, you mentioned in your post you upsized from 175/75 R13. That is why I corrected!

185/60 R14 = 60% of 185mm = 111mm thick sidewall.

175/65 R14 = 65%of 175mm = 113.75mm thick sidewall.

So, you see, you have lesser rubber in the sidewall which will lead to a worse ride quality.

Hdoshi ---- There will be some variations. Yes. It can be as ridiculous as this as well. SImple reason being shops who can afford to pay a higher price for buyback(1400 vs 1000) will polish the tyre and sell it as a new tyre at 1600 or 1700. Someone who buys it back for 1000/- will sell it as a used tyre for 1200 or so.

Edit: I have nothing against anyone, but 3700/- per tyre for the Bridgestone Turanza ER 60 in 185/70 R14 is ridiculous. It's even more than the MRP. Just confirm with Shiva's again to be sure. He might have been quoting a different price or something. Even the Michelin costs only 3650.

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If the car is expected to come with Michelin Energy, what is the best price one can get for them? Is Michelin Primacy LC the best option in 195/60/R15? My preference is comfort and long life. What would be the cost?
He has asked for the cost of the tyres.

I purposely ignored the buyback price as it varies as wildly as the Indian cricket team's performance.

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Nikhil, thanks much for your response. Will get in touch with you when I have more queries.
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Hdoshi ---- There will be some variations. Yes. It can be as ridiculous as this as well. SImple reason being shops who can afford to pay a higher price for buyback(1400 vs 1000) will polish the tyre and sell it as a new tyre at 1600 or 1700. Someone who buys it back for 1000/- will sell it as a used tyre for 1200 or so.

Edit: I have nothing against anyone, but 3700/- per tyre for the Bridgestone Turanza ER 60 in 185/70 R14 is ridiculous. It's even more than the MRP. Just confirm with Shiva's again to be sure. He might have been quoting a different price or something. Even the Michelin costs only 3650.
Hi Nikhilb2008,

I agree with you, however, the end result is we (the end users) benefit from such price difference, would you agree. I was about to fall for it as a person I trust took me there. Instinct took me to the other place where I realized this difference.

I will cross-check with Mr. Anil again, however, I am pretty sure he said the tyre difference would be 2700 per piece (afte exchange of 1000 each). 13500/-.

Appreciate your inputs, thanks!
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Shivas Does business honestly, he sells used as used and never tries to push them as new. However the price quoted is strangely very high. As Nikhil says please clarify again. I have been buying tyres from him for the last 10 years and always found his prices the lowest
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Nikhilb2008 : Condor, you mentioned in your post you upsized from 175/75 R13. That is why I corrected!
Thanks ! Yes, my stock were 175/70 R13.

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Nikhilb2008 : 185/60 R14 = 60% of 185mm = 111mm thick sidewall.

175/65 R14 = 65%of 175mm = 113.75mm thick sidewall.

So, you see, you have lesser rubber in the sidewall which will lead to a worse ride quality.
Oh, ok : you are referring to the height of the side-wall. But, Will 2.75mm of side-wall height make * that * much of a difference in the ride quality ?

I thought you were talking about the contact area, & I was coming from there.


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Nikhilb2008 : He has asked for the cost of the tyres.

I purposely ignored the buyback price as it varies as wildly as the Indian cricket team's performance.
I would not ask you quote a buy-back price at all. But this line below would refer to buy-back prices :
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Thanks ! Yes, my stock were 175/70 R13.

Oh, ok : you are referring to the height of the side-wall. But, Will 2.75mm of side-wall height make * that * much of a difference in the ride quality ?

I thought you were talking about the contact area, & I was coming from there.


I would not ask you quote a buy-back price at all. But this line below would refer to buy-back prices :
Yes. It will make quite a difference. Of course, how much of a difference also varies from car to car.

Condor, I wasnt referring to that line. I was referring to the next line and I replied to it. What is so important?
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Okay, I made my friend call him to check the price of the Turanza. He spoke to Mr. Anil. Guess what, the rate he got was 3850/-, 150/- more than what he had quoted me.

I called another "Select Bridgestone" dealer (got from their website), Vora Tyre (Lalbagh road). They quoted 3250/- for the Turanza...now that is a difference of 600/- between the two dealers.

No offense to anyone, but, my aim is to ensure to share this as I am totally suprised, and also to ensure whoever wishes to buy tyres, does not overpay.

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Shivas Does business honestly, he sells used as used and never tries to push them as new. However the price quoted is strangely very high. As Nikhil says please clarify again. I have been buying tyres from him for the last 10 years and always found his prices the lowest
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Okay folks, an update:
I guess Shiva's was trying to make most of out of the scarcity of tyres in the city due to the ongoing strikes.

That is because, when I had visited his showroom on Friday, he had the Turanzas (3700/-), when my friend called him today morning, he still had them (3850/-), however, today evening, I called up and found he had no stock left and the price..........3250/- (if he had stock).

Making most of the situation I would say !

A special thanks to Nikhil for his advice, direction and explaining the market condition...thanks a million sir!

Note from Mod : The discussion has gone beyond a good tyre shop, and into specific tyre upgrades for cars. We do have dedicated threads for upgrades to a particular car. Please continue the discussion over on those threads.

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