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Old 7th January 2007, 17:01   #61
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Hi Sam,

Have you decided on any alloys? According to me HR alloys look really really hot. The ones which Rudraji has on his optra are headturners.

14" wheels is a good choice for ride and handling, best compromise. Regarding the size you could also settle for something in between 185 and 205.

I just calculated the diff in circumference from the stocks to 195/65-14 will be 1.42%.

The yokohama AVS-Es100 195/65-14 should do just fine.

http://www.yokohamatire.com/TireIntro.asp?TireID=9

5.5J wheels for these should be just about right.

The 205's may be a tad too big and my only fear is of them touching on full lock. Also if you go for these you'll need 6J rims.

The 185's will still make the car look like olive oyl albeit a slightly fatter one.

So to summarize i would suggest.

Yokohama AVS-ES100 195/65-R14 on 5.5J alloys.
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Old 7th January 2007, 17:06   #62
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205s are an overkill, but they should cushion you more. 195 = nice compromise. And since you're going to be driven around, why should you bother about steering effort?
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Sam I agree 205 will be overkill but it will look really good & won't make too much of a diference to the steering effort. For eg. you run 205's on your Lancer when it came with 175 stock, how harder is the steering effort in comparison upon changing the tyres? Albeit make sure that at full lock the 205's do not touch the body or fender anywhere.

Other option is 195/60 R14 or 195/65 R14 (not sure if you'll find 195/65 easily though). This will also look good & do the job well. However, for both tyres go in for 6JX14 alloys with the correct PCD (just mention to lucky-paaji that he should make sure the PCD is correct with 6J & he should promptly faint methinks ) Ride comfort in both 205 or 195 would be equally good so don't worry about that.

Also here are the tyres you should be looking at for good Ride Comfort as top Priority:

Michelin Energy XM1
Yokohama AVS ES 100
Michelin Pilot Precada

Hope this helps & also please enquire before hand about the rates of the same & consult with us so that you don't get ripped off (Though I'm sure that's not going to happen anyways!!)
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Sam,

Now I don't know who lucky paaji is, but in my limited experience I have never met a tyre/alloy seller who actually knows anything technical about tyres and alloys. We do loads of research and go to them and they say "Huh! what is an offset?". Therefore you are better of taking collective advice from Team-BHP about the technical merits of the tyres/alloys than rely on dealers who only know the business side of it.

Yokos are very good, I have driven it for nearly two years on all kind of roads. They suck only on really bad road, but then most street tyres suck on really bad roads.

The 205/60 will have deeper sidewall than 185/65, therefore the ride comfort can't worsen. Also, 205 will maintain the GC as is where as 185 will slightly reduce it. Will it touch, we don't know until you try.

I believe Verna CRDi has the power to handle 205/60R14, but then nobody can be sure until you try it. It definitely looks cooler. If you know the dealer very well, ask him to mount a 205 and turn the steering wheel in both direction, see if something touches. See whether it juts out of the body, pick something with positive offset that doesn't jut out of the body.

Or you can play safe and go for 185/65R14. Most of us Baleno chaps have upgraded by 30mm from 165 to 195 and enjoying it. You would be taking a risk by doing it for the first time on a Verna. If the steering indeed becomes hard, you may have to exchange it down to 185. That's the only risk.
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Yokohama AVS-ES100 195/65-R14 on 5.5J alloys.
You do realise this also raises the car by 4.2mm, may affect handling. And 195/60 will reduce the height and the sidewall by 5.5mm, and that is not acceptable. That's why 195 is not a good size for Verna.

Sam, whatever tyre size you pick, go for 6J alloys. 5.5J is a border case.
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Old 7th January 2007, 18:35   #66
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Yeah Samurai there will be a 4.2mm rise in GC with the 195/65R14.

the 205/60-14 seems proper from the calculations point of view as there is hardly any change to the GC. But I feel 205's may cause little problem in fitting by touching the fender. Even the rear tyre may foul with the rear wheel well on full load or when you hit a bump. Besides the car will be chauffeur driven most of the time. If it was self driven you can atleast enjoy the better handling advantage.

If you see the Verna petrol comes with 185/65-R14 tyres. Even these look tinny on the car and don't fill up the wheelwell nicely.

195/65-R14 is a compromise i feel between the stocks and the 205's.

Even in the case of the lancer one model comes with 175/80R13 whereas the SFXi has 185/60-R14 which is outside the safe limits.

I agree with the 6J wheels. The 5.5J is the minimum requirement.
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Even in the case of the lancer one model comes with 175/80R13 whereas the SFXi has 185/60-R14 which is outside the safe limits.

I agree with the 6J wheels. The 5.5J is the minimum requirement.
But SFXi comes with 5.5j alloys n LX comes with 5J steel rims n 175/80-13 ..

5.5J is the minimum requirement for 195 width tyre but when u are getting alloys why play around with borderline limits....
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Yeah true, 5.5J is a borderline thats why i too agree on the 6J alloys.

@kpzen yeah the the rims are of different width on the 2 lancer models. but what I was trying to say that the overall diameter difference between these 2 is pretty big which results in a big GC change as well. I went for the 195's on my sfxi alloys as i didn't want to change the OE alloys hence had to settle for borderline of 5.5J.

PS: sorry for the OT on the lancer. back to the Verna.

edit: just noticed that the yokos dont come in 195/65R14.
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Hey guys, I don't think Sam is looking for any change. That was his earlier thought or something like that he told me.
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Now I called lucky paaji and as expected i must drive into his shop from the showroom to get full price return on my tyres. He is happy to supply me Yoko, but he says they suck.
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This is an opinion as he gave no facts, in my experience, they suck...the road. What sucks for one, can be ok for another. (don't read into this this further ) 195 is the most practical but as we discussed, you aree after bling, 205 is overkill but check whether is fits ok and offset etc is ok.
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Sam, I humbly suggest you buy 15" rims. Yes, their ride quality is slightly stiffer, but then your regular routes will be the roads of Mumbai and the Expressway, not a jaunt from Bhopal to Meerut. I don't think the ride will deteriorate that much. And 15"s will look WAAAAAAAAY cooler.
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@ Rudra, as you predicted, I changed my mind

OK guys, I'm gonna buy a 6J 14" wheel of my choice. Then put the 205/60/14 on the front and turn full left and full right to check if it touches.
What is a positive offset?

Anyways, if it doesn't touch, then I am gonna go for it. otherwise 185/65/14 it is.
As far as the brand is concerned, ajmat has said that they are good. They look cool to me. So my final choice is either Yoko 205/60 or 185/65 in 14".

I'd really like to know what positive offset is and what is correct PCD. Or is that too much info?

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Sam, I humbly suggest you buy 15" rims. Yes, their ride quality is slightly stiffer, but then your regular routes will be the roads of Mumbai and the Expressway, not a jaunt from Bhopal to Meerut. I don't think the ride will deteriorate that much. And 15"s will look WAAAAAAAAY cooler.
C3PO, I bought 15" rims and fancy tyres and made a cooool car, before I knew the existence of this lovely forum. I like the coolness of a 15" wheel and if I had the money then, at the store, I would have bought 16s. However, I must tell you, cool looking was one thing, and low profile tyres, stiff ride (on an already born-stiff lancer) was something I don't enjoy.
I do visit the Bhiwandi Godown often (Road=bad) and I like to sleep in the back seat as my driver drives. I have a new driver who is experienced and gentle and very very smooth and is instructed not to go fast.

I already have a cool car amigo, that white verna will never be that cool, even if it does cartwheels and a belly dance.
I am going for 14" wheels. For sure.

Edit: Just read Steeroid's post too. Now I'm getting worried. Any Verna users here with 205? Or am I gonna be the bakra?

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OK guys, I'm gonna but a 6J 14" wheel of my choice. Then put the 205/60/14 on the front and turn full left and full right to check if it touches.
Put several fat men in the car when you do so. You dont want a wheel that doesnt touch in the shop to start scraping your fenders when full up.
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Yeah the front may not touch it's the rears I was worried about when fully laden.
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Just called Lucky Paaji, he has tried 205/60/14 in a verna unsuccessfully. It was touching from time to time. He does not recommend it and says he won't put it in my car. So that settles the 205. It's a no.

His suggestion is 6J wheels, 195/60/14. I explained to him about ground clearance and speedo error (*wink wink* I kept samurais post in front of my eyes)

He said "o....k....., o....k..... lekin gaadi ka LOOK nahi aayega. I would have put 195/60/14 but if you want, you can put 185/65/14. Upto you,Sam. Tu ek kaam kar, go to bulldog.com and check there, 5.5mm is hardly anything anyways." I said No lucky, I want 185/65 buss.

He said he will have to check availability of Yokohama 185/165. It should be available.

PS - I think the Yokohama tread pattern is super cool

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