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Old 6th July 2007, 20:47   #16
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Hi,

I own a WagonR. Have 155/65 R13 Michelin energy XM1s on it.

Now, 165/65 R13 is not a correct upsize for WagonR
. The stock size bring 155/65 R13.

You should have gone in for 165/60 R13.

Please go back to the shop and tell they they have messed up!
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Old 6th July 2007, 22:27   #17
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taka a hammer and try to bend the edges a bit ..it will solve the peoblem i did the same thing to my zen..didnt face anyproblem till now, one of my frend is running on 195 in his waganor he is not facing any problem he has aura alloyes....

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165/65 R13 does not go well with WagonR. What ever you do, there will be problems in long run with these tyres. Please change the tyres to 165/60 R13. The best option is Potenza from bridgestone.
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taka a hammer and try to bend the edges a bit ..it will solve the peoblem i did the same thing to my zen..didnt face anyproblem till now, one of my frend is running on 195 in his waganor he is not facing any problem he has aura alloyes....
195/50 R13? Which company tyres?
For 13 inchers, the 195'er i have heard about is 195/60 R13 which is toooo big for the WagonR.

OR

Is it 14inch?
195/45 R 14?

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Check the width of your alloys. If they are either 4.5J or 5J then you should go back to stock size tyres (155/65 R13). I am running stock size 155/70 R13 size tyres on 5J alloys in my Santro without any problems, and this is quite legitimate.

If your alloys are 5.5J then it is not advisable to mount 155/65 tyres. In that case I suggest you look for 165/60 R13 tyres; these are more difficult to get than 165/65 R13, but I know for sure that this size exists (I have seen an imported Japanese Bridgestone tyre of this size). That should hopefully solve your fouling problem, and in fact 165/60 R13 is the correct upsize for Wagon R.

If you can't get 165/60 R13 tyres and your alloys are 5.5J, my advice is to exchange your alloys for 5J width. These are more optimal for Wagon R, and I would also prefer the stock size tyres (155/65 R13). Make sure that your alloys have the correct offset. If the offset is too low the wheel will jut out of the wheel well and may foul with the wheel arch upon turning. If the offset is too high, the wheel will go too far into the wheel well and may foul with the brake callipers or suspension/steering components.
My alloys are "League" 5.5J. The dealer told me alloys are only available in 5.5. I did not know they are available in 4.5 & 5 also
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No authorised service station will give you spacers. They don't advise these modifications as they void warranty. How old is your vehicle?
My car is 3 years old.
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195/50 R13? Which company tyres?
For 13 inchers, the 195'er i have heard about is 195/60 R13 which is toooo big for the WagonR.

OR

Is it 14inch?
195/45 R 14?

dude just go through my post i didnt say 195/50/r13.....

yes he has 195/60/r13 ..his car looks nice...
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My alloys are "League" 5.5J. The dealer told me alloys are only available in 5.5. I did not know they are available in 4.5 & 5 also
Since your tyres are new, you may still get a reasonable price for them; so you could try exchanging your tyres for new 165/60 R13 tyres. This will reduce the sidewall height by 1.65 X 5 = 8.25 mm, so the clearance from the tyres to the wheel well will increase by that much. This might solve your problem if the fouling is occurring due to the tyre surface at the top touching the wheel wells.

But with 5.5J wheels, it is quite possible that either the wheels or tyre sidewalls will foul on the inside with suspension/steering components or brake callipers. As I mentioned, you might go to a tyre shop and get the clearances checked from the underside after driving your car on to the ramp used for wheel alignment. Check for fouling upon turning as well. This ought to establish where precisely the fouling is occurring.

As rjstyles mentioned, one option is to go for spacers. But I personally feel that since your alloys/tyres are new, you will still get a good price for them if by any chance you need to dispose them off and start fresh. You will lose some money, but in the long run you will benefit.

As a last resort, it might be worth trying to mount the stock-size 155/65 R13 tyres on your 5.5J alloys. The Michelin Australia website does not seem to recommend this; as per them, the maximum rim width allowed for 155/70 R13 tyres (they do not have 155/65 R13 tyres) is 5J. But the rim-width calculator on the carbibles website does allow you to mount 155/65 R13 tyres on 5.5J wheels. The 155/65 tyre sidewalls will not flex much on 5.5J wheels (if you keep recommended or higher tyre pressures) and will be 10 mm narrower than the 165 size tyres. So if the fouling is with the tyre sidewalls on the inside (as they flex on bad roads) the problem might get solved, as you will get an additional 5mm clearance on the inside with less flexing of sidewalls as well. And of course these tyres will also have an additional clearance from the wheelwell above by about 8 mm. Your ride may become rough on bad roads, and you have to be wary of wheel/tyre damage and avoid hitting potholes at speed; but that may be a price worth paying to avoid potentially serioius fouling.

Don't lose heart and don't ignore the fouling. Wish you all the best in getting this problem resolved to your satisfaction.

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No authorised service station will give you spacers. They don't advise these modifications as they void warranty.
Maybe in Cal' not in bangy @least. I got me spacers installed from MASS.
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Maybe in Cal' not in bangy @least. I got me spacers installed from MASS.

Which MASS installed spacers in your car, please let me know.
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Dear Friends,

I am sure the fouling is b'cos of the extra profile on my tyres. Let me re iterate I have a 13" * 5.5" alloy on my car. Let me look at the remedies.

1) I change the tyre to 165/65 to 165/60. Hopefully this will stop the fouling. I am not sure though.

2) Second remedy is that I go back to the stock size 155/65/R13 tubeless(Michelin). This will remove the fouling, I am sure but since I will be using it with 5.5" alloys the profile of my tyres will decrease. Will this damage my tyres.

Please advise what to do. I am going to meet the dealer in the evening today.

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Which MASS installed spacers in your car, please let me know.
MAR's in Sanjay Nagar.

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1) I change the tyre to 165/65 to 165/60. Hopefully this will stop the fouling. I am not sure though.
Yes it does put an end to the problem. So is your dealer willing to swap/exchange free of cost?
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I am sure the fouling is b'cos of the extra profile on my tyres. Let me re iterate I have a 13" * 5.5" alloy on my car. Let me look at the remedies.

1) I change the tyre to 165/65 to 165/60. Hopefully this will stop the fouling. I am not sure though.

2) Second remedy is that I go back to the stock size 155/65/R13 tubeless(Michelin). This will remove the fouling, I am sure but since I will be using it with 5.5" alloys the profile of my tyres will decrease. Will this damage my tyres.

Please advise what to do.
If you are sure that the fouling is occurring due to the top surface of the tyres hitting the wheel well, then your first choice should be 165/60 tyres; these tyres have a sidewall height of 99 mm, against 100.75 mm for the stock tyres. So you get an additional clearance of about 2 mm at the top with the 165/60 tyres. Plus these tyres are more suitable for 5.5J wheels.

But if you suspect that there may be fouling of the tyre sidewalls on the inside (due to the width of the wheel), then you should try the stock size 155/65 tyres, which are narrower; you will gain at least 5 mm additional sideways clearance as compared to 165/60 tyres.

If you mount 155/65 tyres on 5.5J alloys, the main problem will be that your ride will become bad on rough roads (there will not be much flex of the tyre sidewalls because the wheels are very wide). But if you keep at least recommended tyre pressures and drive carefully on bad roads, you ought to be able to avoid tyre/wheel damage. The handling will be very good on good roads. Even with 165/60 tyres, you will have to be careful to avoid hitting potholes/stones/kerbs at speed because these are low profile tyres; this is probably why the dealer advised you to go for 165/65.

The problem is that you cannot be sure that either of these options will work. That is why I suggest that you get the tyre dealer to look at the clearances from the underside and try to establish the nature and the extent of the fouling. I suggest that you insist on taking a test drive before you accept any particular course of action; otherwise you may be stuck with the same problem again.

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Hey Manoj.........what happened dude? did you get that rectified? hopefully you should have done that and happy driving.
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Hey Manoj.........what happened dude? did you get that rectified? hopefully you should have done that and happy driving.
I met the dealer last evening. He has agreed to swap the tyres with 155/65/r13 free of cost. I am waiting with my fingers crossed. He did not have stock then. I am getting the tyres today. I hope 155/65/r13 goes well with my 5.5" alloys.
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