Alloys on My Wagon R (help please) - Team-BHP

manojgautham · 6th July 2007, 10:30

Hi All,

This is my first post on Team-BHP. I saw this site while I was browsing on the internet. I found the site very informative. At the same time I was planning to change my vehicle's stock tyres to Alloys (I have a 2004 Wagon-R Vxi).

After looking at various threads I decided to go for Michelin tubeless & decent alloys. I wanted to stick to the original size 155/65/13. However Touqeer at Auto Fusion, Koramangala advised me to go for the next oversize 165/70/13. I put in the oversize tyres, but last night I realized the tyre touch the body on rough roads.

Now I want to know if any of you faced this problem. Do I need to go back to the original size. Touqeer said the original size will damage my alloys as the wall is not very big. Is this true?

Please help me, I am totally confused......

manojgautham · 6th July 2007, 12:47

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Originally Posted by manojgautham

Hi All,

This is my first post on Team-BHP. I saw this site while I was browsing on the internet. I found the site very informative. At the same time I was planning to change my vehicle's stock tyres to Alloys (I have a 2004 Wagon-R Vxi).

After looking at various threads I decided to go for Michelin tubeless & decent alloys. I wanted to stick to the original size 155/65/13. However Touqeer at Auto Fusion, Koramangala advised me to go for the next oversize 165/70/13. I put in the oversize tyres, but last night I realized the tyre touch the body on rough roads.

Now I want to know if any of you faced this problem. Do I need to go back to the original size. Touqeer said the original size will damage my alloys as the wall is not very big. Is this true?

Please help me, I am totally confused......

I am very sorry..... My upgraded tyre size is 166/65/13 & not 165/70/13.

Please suggest what I need to do...........

rjstyles69 · 6th July 2007, 13:06

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I am very sorry..... My upgraded tyre size is 166/65/13 & not 165/70/13.

Please suggest what I need to do...........

Wonder where you got that 166/65/R13 size from

. Am guessing its a typo.

The best thing that one could do is to install spacers for the car.Installing spacers will give you a height advantage of roughly an inch.

Check with any of the MASS chaps and they should be able to help you out.

Metal spacers will cost you around 1k /-(for all for wheels) and rubber spacers should cost you about 600/- bucks.

manojgautham · 6th July 2007, 13:23

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Originally Posted by rjstyles69

Wonder where you got that 166/65/R13 size from

. Am guessing its a typo.

The best thing that one could do is to install spacers for the car.Installing spacers will give you a height advantage of roughly an inch.

Check with any of the MASS chaps and they should be able to help you out.

Metal spacers will cost you around 1k /-(for all for wheels) and rubber spacers should cost you about 600/- bucks.

Oops

........... The tyre size is 165/65/R13....... Can you please help me with the address and number of this MASS...

Will increasing the height lead to any problem???

rks · 6th July 2007, 13:32

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Originally Posted by manojgautham

Now I want to know if any of you faced this problem. Do I need to go back to the original size. Touqeer said the original size will damage my alloys as the wall is not very big. Is this true?

Check the width of your alloys. If they are either 4.5J or 5J then you should go back to stock size tyres (155/65 R13). I am running stock size 155/70 R13 size tyres on 5J alloys in my Santro without any problems, and this is quite legitimate.

If your alloys are 5.5J then it is not advisable to mount 155/65 tyres. In that case I suggest you look for 165/60 R13 tyres; these are more difficult to get than 165/65 R13, but I know for sure that this size exists (I have seen an imported Japanese Bridgestone tyre of this size). That should hopefully solve your fouling problem, and in fact 165/60 R13 is the correct upsize for Wagon R.

If you can't get 165/60 R13 tyres and your alloys are 5.5J, my advice is to exchange your alloys for 5J width. These are more optimal for Wagon R, and I would also prefer the stock size tyres (155/65 R13). Make sure that your alloys have the correct offset. If the offset is too low the wheel will jut out of the wheel well and may foul with the wheel arch upon turning. If the offset is too high, the wheel will go too far into the wheel well and may foul with the brake callipers or suspension/steering components.

esteem_lover · 6th July 2007, 13:44

Take it back to whoever suggested this & ask him to rectify it.

rjstyles69 · 6th July 2007, 13:50

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Originally Posted by esteem_lover

Take it back to whoever suggested this & ask him to rectify it.

John you must be joking.

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Can you please help me with the address and number of this MASS

MASS = Maruti Authorized Service Station .

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Will increasing the height lead to any problem???

I have never faced any handling issues with my old car.

I suggested spacers is only because, am pretty sure your dealer wont be ready to exchange the current set. You have no choice but continue using the same.

esteem_lover · 6th July 2007, 14:00

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Originally Posted by rjstyles69

John you must be joking.

No, I am not riju. Seriously, if a dealer suggested this, then he should be the one to answer this question. He should be knowing exactly why he said it.

manojgautham · 6th July 2007, 16:18

Thanks bro for all your suggestions. I checked with a Service Manager of Advaith. He advised me not to add spacers.

I feel very sad now after spending all that money and things not working out. Has anyone else had this problem on Wagon R with 165/65/R13 sized tyres?

VJ_MAVRICK · 6th July 2007, 17:33

Hi Manoj,
Recently infact a week back changed my stock 12" foot wear to 13" League Alloys on Michelin 165/65r13 and i did not face this problem though i was very skeptical about it initially...i think the ride would be fine for 4 ...mine is an alto vxi 1.1

and as styles pointed out....there are no 166/65/r13 ..it goes as....145,155,165,175,195,205 ...so on and so forth...
and i did take a corner on the domlur flyover with 3 people @ almost slightly more than 90KMPH and it was fine...

rks · 6th July 2007, 18:04

@manojgautham, I think you should first establish precisely where the fouling is occurring as you pass over rough roads. Is it a case of the tyres hitting the wheel wells? If so, the solution might be to change the tyres as I pointed out. It could be something simple like the tyres touching the mud flaps. In that case the solution is to remove the mud flaps.

But on rough roads, the tyre sidewalls could flex and foul with the brake callipers or steering/suspension components on the inside of the wheel, if the offset of the alloy wheels that you have chosen is too high. Or else, the front tyres could foul with the wheel wells upon turning if the wheel offset is too low. In these cases the problem could be solved by going back to stock tyres, but if that doesn't work, then you might have to change your alloy wheels.

My suggestion is to take the car to a well-equipped, reputed tyre shop and have all the clearances checked from the underside, including while turning and also check for any fouling marks on the wheels/tyres. You will need to allow for sidewall flex of the tyre, so a minimunm clearance on the inside would be necessary in order to avoid fouling. This might help you figure out the problem.

rjstyles69 · 6th July 2007, 18:20

Completely agree with what rks has suggested. rks his options are limited now since he has already installed them and his dealer wont exchange them.

Issue is with the sidewall as you mentioned. He has got 165/65/R13 and thats the main reason for scrapping.

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I checked with a Service Manager of Advaith. He advised me not to add spacers.

Is Advaith a MASS ? Pardon me ignorance . What was his reason given not to add spacers ?
I hope he never said the FE might go down

.

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and i did take a corner on the domlur flyover with 3 people @ almost slightly more than 90KMPH and it was fine.

He was asking about the handling after installing spacers.
Check here : http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/349325-post99.html (Upgrading wheels/tyres on Santro)

I had the exact same problem and spacers was the only solution.

manojgautham · 6th July 2007, 19:13

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Originally Posted by rjstyles69

Completely agree with what rks has suggested. rks his options are limited now since he has already installed them and his dealer wont exchange them.

Issue is with the sidewall as you mentioned. He has got 165/65/R13 and thats the main reason for scrapping.

Is Advaith a MASS ? Pardon me ignorance . What was his reason given not to add spacers ?
Not exactly, the Service manager at advaith is my very old friend, so I thought I'll ask him for advice....
I hope he never said the FE might go down

.
He was asking about the handling after installing spacers.
He said the handling will be bad after adding spacers.
Check here : http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/349325-post99.html (Upgrading wheels/tyres on Santro)

I had the exact same problem and spacers was the only solution.

Let me check the thread mentioned

esteem_lover · 6th July 2007, 20:34

check with johy, he has also fitted alloys in his wagonR very recently.

Sudipto-S-Team · 6th July 2007, 20:44

No authorised service station will give you spacers. They don't advise these modifications as they void warranty. How old is your vehicle?

6th July 2007, 10:30	#1 (permalink)
manojgautham BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 101 View My Garage	Alloys on My Wagon R (help please) Hi All, This is my first post on Team-BHP. I saw this site while I was browsing on the internet. I found the site very informative. At the same time I was planning to change my vehicle's stock tyres to Alloys (I have a 2004 Wagon-R Vxi). After looking at various threads I decided to go for Michelin tubeless & decent alloys. I wanted to stick to the original size 155/65/13. However Touqeer at Auto Fusion, Koramangala advised me to go for the next oversize 165/70/13. I put in the oversize tyres, but last night I realized the tyre touch the body on rough roads. Now I want to know if any of you faced this problem. Do I need to go back to the original size. Touqeer said the original size will damage my alloys as the wall is not very big. Is this true? Please help me, I am totally confused......

6th July 2007, 13:44	#6 (permalink)
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 5,013 View My Garage	Take it back to whoever suggested this & ask him to rectify it. __________________ Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper. - Mark Twain

6th July 2007, 17:33	#10 (permalink)
VJ_MAVRICK Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,018 View My Garage	Hi Manoj, Recently infact a week back changed my stock 12" foot wear to 13" League Alloys on Michelin 165/65r13 and i did not face this problem though i was very skeptical about it initially...i think the ride would be fine for 4 ...mine is an alto vxi 1.1 and as styles pointed out....there are no 166/65/r13 ..it goes as....145,155,165,175,195,205 ...so on and so forth... and i did take a corner on the domlur flyover with 3 people @ almost slightly more than 90KMPH and it was fine... __________________ Every SAINT has a PAST and Every SINNER has a FUTURE

6th July 2007, 20:34	#14 (permalink)
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 5,013 View My Garage	check with johy, he has also fitted alloys in his wagonR very recently. __________________ Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper. - Mark Twain

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6th July 2007, 16:18	#9 (permalink)
manojgautham BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 101 View My Garage	Thanks bro for all your suggestions. I checked with a Service Manager of Advaith. He advised me not to add spacers. I feel very sad now after spending all that money and things not working out. Has anyone else had this problem on Wagon R with 165/65/R13 sized tyres?

6th July 2007, 18:04	#11 (permalink)
rks BANNED Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ?? Posts: 1,198	@manojgautham, I think you should first establish precisely where the fouling is occurring as you pass over rough roads. Is it a case of the tyres hitting the wheel wells? If so, the solution might be to change the tyres as I pointed out. It could be something simple like the tyres touching the mud flaps. In that case the solution is to remove the mud flaps. But on rough roads, the tyre sidewalls could flex and foul with the brake callipers or steering/suspension components on the inside of the wheel, if the offset of the alloy wheels that you have chosen is too high. Or else, the front tyres could foul with the wheel wells upon turning if the wheel offset is too low. In these cases the problem could be solved by going back to stock tyres, but if that doesn't work, then you might have to change your alloy wheels. My suggestion is to take the car to a well-equipped, reputed tyre shop and have all the clearances checked from the underside, including while turning and also check for any fouling marks on the wheels/tyres. You will need to allow for sidewall flex of the tyre, so a minimunm clearance on the inside would be necessary in order to avoid fouling. This might help you figure out the problem.

6th July 2007, 20:44	#15 (permalink)
Sudipto-S-Team BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kolkata Posts: 189	No authorised service station will give you spacers. They don't advise these modifications as they void warranty. How old is your vehicle?