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Old 27th June 2016, 12:11   #91
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Let us take a different view. If the tyre is sound then tube in a tubeless casing is irrelevant. If the carcass in damaged then do not think about using it!
That was my exact thought process too, Sir. A tube in a tubeless tire is same as a tubed tire, given that the tire itself is in good condition. The tire is good enough to carry on.

I am thinking it to mount on the rear, where it originally was, as my spare wheel is of other brand and hence the tread is different than the rest of the 3. Plus, that will make sure that whenever I replace the tires next, I replace all 4 of them.

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Is there any difference in the tire pressure for a tubeless tire with a fitted tube or is it the same as prescribed for the tubeless?
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Recently got a tube fitted into one of the tubeless tyre of Maruti Dzire (Tyre Size 165/80 R14) and the reason was that the tyre had suffered three punctures on the edge which had eventually become difficult to plug properly due to their precarious location. Have driven a couple of hundred kilometers after the fitment and have not suffered any problem until now. From tread wear point of view the tyre in question is in good condition as such wish to use it till it wears out to safe levels. Although as a precautionary measure have fitted the said tyre on the rear. Should I continue to use the tyre? Would using the tube inside a tubeless tyre will lead to heating issues?
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Recently got a tube fitted into one of the tubeless tyre of Maruti Dzire (Tyre Size 165/80 R14) and the reason was that the tyre had suffered three punctures on the edge which had eventually become difficult to plug properly due to their precarious location. Have driven a couple of hundred kilometers after the fitment and have not suffered any problem until now. From tread wear point of view the tyre in question is in good condition as such wish to use it till it wears out to safe levels. Although as a precautionary measure have fitted the said tyre on the rear. Should I continue to use the tyre? Would using the tube inside a tubeless tyre will lead to heating issues?
Using a tube inside a tubeless tire due to a difficult to fix puncture is not an issue at all. Just make sure that the tire is not damaged in a way that it compromises safety.
Good that you have set it up on the rear. Keep it that way or, even better, swap it with the spare tire if its a full sized one.

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I see a concern here. Repairing of a tubed tyre is done by applying a patch on the tube and also on the tyre to ensure the inflated tube will fit into the tyre.

For a tubeless tyre, punctures are repaired using a plug of sorts. With several such plugs protruding on the inside of the tyre, using a tube may not be a good idea as the tube may rub against one of these plugs and get damaged.

If you still want to use it, a better idea would be to use it as a spare.
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Using a tube inside a tubeless tire due to a difficult to fix puncture is not an issue at all. Just make sure that the tire is not damaged in a way that it compromises safety.
Good that you have set it up on the rear. Keep it that way or, even better, swap it with the spare tire if its a full sized one.

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Thanks a lot for the helpful reply. Although I do have the spare tyre which is in good condition but as out of the five tyres, two are a bit more worn out than the others, so have decided to keep the spare as a reserve for fitment on the front ends only. Using the best among the lot on the front ends and second to them on the rear.

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Thanks a lot for the helpful reply. Although I do have the spare tyre which is in good condition but as out of the five tyres, two are a bit more worn out than the others, so have decided to keep the spare as a reserve for fitment on the front ends only. Using the best among the lot on the front ends and second to them on the rear.

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It could be a revelation but tires with comparatively better thread should go to the rear axle.

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Thanks a lot for the helpful reply. Although I do have the spare tyre which is in good condition but as out of the five tyres, two are a bit more worn out than the others, so have decided to keep the spare as a reserve for fitment on the front ends only. Using the best among the lot on the front ends and second to them on the rear.

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It could be a revelation but tires with comparatively better thread should go to the rear axle.

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The front brakes are major part of braking system. When a car is braking the car weight is thrown forward. Which is why braking has to be better at front part than rear.

This is also why we see Disc brakes which are better than drum brakes at the front wheels and drum brakes at rear where they suffice.

That is why the tyres at the front always have to be in better shape than rear.

Any anomaly, wear tear and the front tyres could burst and get car into critical uncontrollable situation. Whereas if any burst happens at rear, it is relatively much better controlled.

Remember, always use better tyres at the front and not rear.
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I see a concern here. Repairing of a tubed tyre is done by applying a patch on the tube and also on the tyre to ensure the inflated tube will fit into the tyre.

For a tubeless tyre, punctures are repaired using a plug of sorts. With several such plugs protruding on the inside of the tyre, using a tube may not be a good idea as the tube may rub against one of these plugs and get damaged.

If you still want to use it, a better idea would be to use it as a spare.
Thanks a lot for your valuable input. Would like to share that had got the puncture plugs removed from the tyre before getting the tube installed.

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It could be a revelation but tires with comparatively better thread should go to the rear axle.

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Technically correct but with a precondition that the tyres intended to be installed on the front axle should also be pretty reasonably in good condition and not on the verge of their service life.

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The front brakes are major part of braking system. When a car is braking the car weight is thrown forward. Which is why braking has to be better at front part than rear.

This is also why we see Disc brakes which are better than drum brakes at the front wheels and drum brakes at rear where they suffice.

That is why the tyres at the front always have to be in better shape than rear.

Any anomaly, wear tear and the front tyres could burst and get car into critical uncontrollable situation. Whereas if any burst happens at rear, it is relatively much better controlled.

Remember, always use better tyres at the front and not rear.
Absolutely, couldn't agree more. I also do the same thing and always advice regarding the same. But the revelation made by our distinguished member Saket77 also holds logic but albeit with a precondition that the tyres on the front axle should be in pretty reasonably good condition.

Logic: Comparatively better tires on the rear axle help the driver more easily maintain control on wet roads since deeper treaded tires are better at resisting hydroplaning. Hydroplaning occurs when the tire cannot process enough water through its tread design to maintain effective contact with the road.

If the front tires have significantly less tread depth than the rear tires, the front tires will begin to hydroplane and lose traction on wet roads before the rear tires. While this will cause the vehicle to understeer (the vehicle wants to continue driving straight ahead), understeer is relatively easy to control because releasing the accelerator pedal will slow the vehicle and help the driver maintain control.

However, if the front tires have significantly more tread depth than the rear tires, the rear tires will begin to hydroplane and lose traction on wet roads before the front ones. This will cause the vehicle to oversteer (the vehicle will want to spin). Oversteer is far more difficult to control and in addition to the initial distress felt when the rear of the car starts sliding, quickly releasing the accelerator pedal in an attempt to slow down may actually make it more difficult for the driver to regain control, possibly causing a complete spinout.

The following useful link has the details:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret....jsp?techid=52

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The front brakes are major part of braking system. When a car is braking the car weight is thrown forward. Which is why braking has to be better at front part than rear.

That is why the tyres at the front always have to be in better shape than rear.

Any anomaly, wear tear and the front tyres could burst...

Remember, always use better tyres at the front and not rear.
First things first: Using a tire which is on the 'verge of giving up' and which may burst is absolutely out of question. (Which is why I advised the OP to use that tire on the rear). Now what remains is usable tires. Compare them and put the ones with deeper treads at the rear. In an emergency braking manoeuvre you don't want to be fishtailing, do you? it's tough situation to control.
Under hard braking, as you said, the weight is on the front tires and they already have the benefit of higher traction. At the same time, the rear tires can easily lose traction and that is especially true for wet surfaces, as our other member, ssambyal has explained perfectly. This condition is very difficult for an average driver to control on public roads.

Hope that takes my point across.
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Just came across this wonderful demonstration on Michelin's website on mixing old and new tires. That pretty much seals this discussion. Do watch this:

http://m.michelin.in/IN/en/safe-driv...ing-tyres.html

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Which company's tyres among the following would be the best bet for fitment on Maruti Swift Dzire having tyre size 165/80 R14? The car is being used in a mixed manner both in the hills and plains.
1. JK
2. MRF
3. Bridgestone
4. Mitchelin
5. Apollo
6. Goodyear
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Which company's tyres among the following would be the best bet for fitment on Maruti Swift Dzire having tyre size 165/80 R14? The car is being used in a mixed manner both in the hills and plains.
1. JK
2. MRF
3. Bridgestone
4. Mitchelin
5. Apollo
6. Goodyear
I have had good experiences with Good year & Bridgestones. Grip wise Michelin is the best, but since its softer rubber, means it is more prone to damage. Won't recommend if you do bad roads quite often and if your running is less.

Avoid JKs. No idea about Apollo.

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