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Old 8th May 2009, 10:40   #31
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Hello every body,
I have read all the reviews on zen on this forum and still searching for some good answers.
Now my query-
I have a zen MPFI ( 2002 march model), purchased from True value
( 35 K on odometer), now it has done 71K on odometer, I still want to keep this car for another 2 years. No modification has been done on this car till now.
What I want to do ?
Well first change the tyres without doing any upsize along with stock rims. I want gurus on this forum to guide me on this one as, one of my tyres has a crack side wall ( At present I am on JK ultima ). As I required a comfortable ride and light steering, what would be the best buy? I also want to know want would be the cost of changing 4 tyres along with rims.( I have shorted listed Apollo Amazer after reading all the reviews on this forum). Your views are welcomed.
Next on list are the K&N filter and then seat cover.
Any other suggestion is welcomed.
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Old 8th May 2009, 12:31   #32
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Since you don't need any upsize, 145/80 R 12 of any brand would fit the bill. I'll suggest Bridgestone S322 for tube type and stay away from JK & Goodyear.

Bridgestone Turanza ER 60 is another option in this size, if you want tubeless.
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Since you don't need any upsize, 145/80 R 12 of any brand would fit the bill. I'll suggest Bridgestone S322 for tube type and stay away from JK & Goodyear.

Bridgestone Turanza ER 60 is another option in this size, if you want tubeless.
Guys, thank you for your valuable comments. Hear are the latest update

Yesterday I changed my all 4 tyres of my zen to Bridgestone Turanza ER 60 ( tubeless ), had some apprension regarding my stock rim as MASS had earlier said that my rims are out. But all my rims are ok not the best.
Each tyre cost me 1900 rs. total cost was 7600 rs.

Today morning while comming to office I did the real testing of my new shoe

My power stering feels light, my pick up has marginally increase, engine feels more responding, braking has increase car feel light and handlling is awasome, small pot holes are history and ride quality is very good. tyre pressue maintained in front - 26 psi and at the back 28 psi as recomended by the tyrewalla.
tyres were only one month old, i.e the manufacturing date was 1609.

great valve for money.
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Old 18th July 2009, 03:58   #34
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I'm not very well informed about upsize hence my question is:

Will it scrape if upgrade from
4J 145/80 R12 (stock)
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5.5J 155/65 R13 (alloys)
My car is Zen old model last version year 2005.
Is there any recommendation for 5.5J upgrade for Zen?
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No it wont scrape. It will be fine.
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Old 21st September 2009, 19:30   #36
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145/70-13 (stock size)
Pros - Good steering response.
Cons - Rim bending issues, moderate ride quality and limited tyre options.
My verdict: u won't get anything with this size neither ride quality nor handling...

155/65-13

Pros - Better handling and braking.. More tyre options in market
Cons - I can't think of one other than ride quality which neither great nor bad.
My verdict: Perfect upsize for enthusiasts.

165/65-13

Pros - Fantastic handling and braking
Cons- FE goes down by 1-2kmpl, it needs 4.5j rims and needs some modification to the wheel well.
My verdict: Don't get this size unless u have some sources to mod the wheel well. Drop in FE should be considered

145/80-12

Pros - Fantastic ride quality and FE
Cons - Understeer, handling won't be great..
My Verdict: U may get this size if u are very particular about FE. Its a very good option for bad roads..

This is good information. There are couple of more sizes added now. People please reply back in same format (Pros, Cons & your verdict) for new sizes

New Sizes:
145/70-13
155/70-13
155/80-13

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I'm not very well informed about upsize hence my question is:

Will it scrape if upgrade from
4J 145/80 R12 (stock)
TO
5.5J 155/65 R13 (alloys)
My car is Zen old model last version year 2005.
Is there any recommendation for 5.5J upgrade for Zen?
The Zen originally has 13" wheels (70 aspect ratio, size I do not recall). There were issues of the rims getting bent, so Maruti switched to 12" wheels. My son had a 1997 Zen with 13" wheels in Manipal, and given the roads had to get the rims hammered into shape every few months. None of his friends who installed alloys suffered either bent or broken rims.

The handling of the 13" shod Zens was far superior.
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How are Avon tyre tubes for stock zen rims? How is the quality and is the brand trust worthy ?
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Old 22nd September 2009, 11:43   #39
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going into technicalities:

Side wall of different tyres:
155/70 R13 = 108.5
155/65R13 = 100

145/70R13 = 101.5

I think 155/665R13 would be a better choice, it will have same height but wider rubber for better grip.

Can this be fitted on Zen Steel 13" rims? or I will need to switch to Esteem rims?

Also, has anyone fitted these?
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going into technicalities:

Side wall of different tyres:
155/70 R13 = 108.5
155/65R13 = 100

145/70R13 = 101.5

I think 155/665R13 would be a better choice, it will have same height but wider rubber for better grip.

Can this be fitted on Zen Steel 13" rims? or I will need to switch to Esteem rims?

Also, has anyone fitted these?
I have fitted 155/70R13 Bridgestone S322 in stock rims. It has worked wonders in terms of handling & road adherence.

The 155/65R13 should fit in without any trouble.
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Hi

Am posting this on behalf of my friend. He recently upgraded his Zen tyres to 155/65/R13 with 5.5j alloys. When four people are in the car, the rear wheel touches the body when the car hits a dump. He checked his whole suspension setup also added the spacers to avoid this issues. But still it persist.

Here "needforspeed" tells something like tapping of the inner well..May i know how this can be done so that we can avoid this in my friends car. Or please suggest a best way to modify the wheel well and also some pictures of modified wheels arch of a zen will be really greatful.
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Hi

Am posting this on behalf of my friend. He recently upgraded his Zen tyres to 155/65/R13 with 5.5j alloys. When four people are in the car, the rear wheel touches the body when the car hits a dump. He checked his whole suspension setup also added the spacers to avoid this issues. But still it persist.

Here "needforspeed" tells something like tapping of the inner well..May i know how this can be done so that we can avoid this in my friends car. Or please suggest a best way to modify the wheel well and also some pictures of modified wheels arch of a zen will be really greatful.
I'd say there is something wrong with the car.
I've been using 165/65/13 on stock rim for my zen. Have not faced any problem except for the "heavy" steering. The cars suspension was a bit worn an that time if you are loaded and hit a hump at speed it used to bottom out. (read huge hump taken at 70+). Once the new suspension is in place I took the same hump just to see how it is. Did beautifully.

Even with the worn suspension it never gave any problems in "normal" driving.

The hump is question - Its on a deserted piece of road so I can do all this madness .
But please don't try this, unless you know what to expect if you hit a hump at that speed in a Zen.

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Old 23rd February 2010, 14:29   #43
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Hey yzfrj...thanks for your quick response. Here you use 165/65/13 on stock rim and not on alloy with 5.5j width. Kpzen mentions allways that any alloy for zen with greater than 5j will foul. So the case with his car as well.

Even for him with 5 ppl on normal driving doesn't foul. Only when it hit a hump in high speed (say 80+) it fouls. So, someone please suggest a best possible way to come out of this issue without changing the alloy.
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So, someone please suggest a best possible way to come out of this issue without changing the alloy.
Don't think there is an "easy" fix.
I've seen modified zen's with extra wide tyres and rims which spills out of the wheel arches.

Its not easy to do and will spoil the dynamics of the car.
"NOT" recommended.
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So you mean to say that the best way is to change the alloy with 5j rim ??
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