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Old 5th February 2005, 23:15   #1
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I own the the indica V2, which came in 2002 and had wider tyres(165/65R13) and larger wheel wells(indigo sized). I am wondering wether i can pu 185/65R13 tyres. or are they too wide and will touch while hard cornerning?
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185/65 R13s will be a bit too big for the Indica. Go in for 185/60 R13s, they'll match the old tyres in diameter and circumference. With an error of just 1.38%, they're the best you can opt for.

175/60 R13s can also be considered.

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Yes those tyres can be fit in easily but they will touch while cornering.

The stock tyres 165R13 are perfectly appropriate for this car and with its performance it needs no thicker rubber.

I think if you want to go in for wider tyres you should go for tubeless otherwise the steering will become heavier.

Generally +20(165+20=185) of the stock tyre is fine for almost all the cars but O.D has to be taken care of.

ALSO never go for low profile tyres in India.
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ALSO never go for low profile tyres in India.
Being from delhi im sure u would be comfortable with 17inches on lancer's ?
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Being from delhi im sure u would be comfortable with 17inches on lancer's ?
well!! it will be a nightmare.

I have got 14" BSA's with 195/65 goodyear eagle ventura
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17" Chromes with Z rated 215/40 Vredestein Giugiaro Design here.
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Yes those tyres can be fit in easily but they will touch while cornering.

The stock tyres 165R13 are perfectly appropriate for this car and with its performance it needs no thicker rubber.

I think if you want to go in for wider tyres you should go for tubeless otherwise the steering will become heavier.

Generally +20(165+20=185) of the stock tyre is fine for almost all the cars but O.D has to be taken care of.

ALSO never go for low profile tyres in India.
Hmm i found the 165 to be slightly less wide because i have touched speeds of 150plus and would like to have better breaking. 185 is too wide i agree. In the 175 dia the only one available is the 175/70 which is 15mm more in diameter than the 165R65. I1.5cms more shouldnt give too much of a problem.. right?
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Go for the 185s, in anycase the Indica isn't a straight line rocket. What you need is better braking, wider foot print and respectable handling, which only the 185s can give you.

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185/65 R13s will be a bit too big for the Indica. Go in for 185/60 R13s, they'll match the old tyres in diameter and circumference. With an error of just 1.38%, they're the best you can opt for.

175/60 R13s can also be considered.

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dear Shan2nu,

i think you should first test what ever you say.have you really seen if 185 will be really big for the new indica V2.
from all your posts you seem to be having a Honda .so please check whatever you write.
pleasse dont get me wrong but i have been using 195/55 r13 right from day one.
the OD difference is negligible and the handling is fantastic.
and it doesnt touch anywhere,

but use rims of the same stock size.


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i think you should first test what ever you say.have you really seen if 185 will be really big for the new indica V2.
Nope, it's you who isn't ready properly. When i said 185/65 would be too big. i was talking about the diameter and circumference. I suggested 185/60 since he was looking for 185mm tyres.

I wasn't even talking about the width of the tyre but the profile.

But i do feel that 195's will also be a bit too much, it's not a question of whether they touch or not, it's a question of high can you go before traction turns into resistance.

Just bcos a tyre fits, it doen't mean you have to go for it. The Indica has what 75 bhp? And a kerb weight of more than a ton, which it just about manages to lug around with. Now, using 195mms will definately make the engine work overtime. Too much tyre witdh (on stock suspenssions) maynot be the right thing to do.

Usually +20 is the highest recomended upsize.

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hey Shan,
i have driven Mkraft's indica and the drip is amazing.
According to your theory,if 195 becomes more of resistance ,then the pick up and FE has to drop.i dont think Mkraft has seen anything of that sort.


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Nope, it's you who isn't ready properly. When i said 185/65 would be too big. i was talking about the diameter and circumference. I suggested 185/60 since he was looking for 185mm tyres.

I wasn't even talking about the width of the tyre but the profile.

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dear Shan2nu,

i know my Indica as well as you claim to know your Vtec.i have owned a variety of cars from the zen to the accent .
i have checked my mileage after putting this 195 tyre.i get around 19kpl on the highway at around 100 kph speeds.
but the main differnce is in the handling.you should seethe way i take other cars on ghats.i have taken a city ,a baleno on the mumbai goa ghats at speeds which will be impossible on those 165 tyres.
my OD reading is almost same as the 165/65 r13.and after 40kms my indica has no signs of abnormal suspension wear.

the braking has also improved.

i say safely go for 195 /55 tires.there is absolutely no scraping .

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then the pick up and FE has to drop.i dont think Mkraft has seen anything of that sort.
Ok, lets put it on the Gtech Pro, it'll all come out, right there. I'm sure the grip has improved (it has to), so you mean to say, if your car had space for 205, you'd opt for that?

I'm not saying 195's are hopeless, they'll do wonders provided your car has the kinda power to handle them. Lateral grip has very little to do with engine power, it's in between the corners where this discussion matters.

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dear Shan2nu,
the OD difference is negligible and the handling is fantastic.
and it doesnt touch anywhere,

but use rims of the same stock size.


Mineel
Hey thanx mineel, does it mean that on my stock rims i can easily put 185R65!! Well than thats it, i am getting those
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Hey thanx mineel, does it mean that on my stock rims i can easily put 185R65!! Well than thats it, i am getting those
Dude, hold on. He's talking about the 195/55s on his car, not 185/65. In the 185 range, the 185/60 is the closest to the OE tyre size.

The diff between the 165/65 and 185/65 is 4.77% (which is not at all negligible). Compared to the 185/60s 1.38%. And it's common knowledge that it's always safest to upsize to tyres that are within 3% of the OE size. Closer the better.

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