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Old 3rd August 2008, 01:05   #346
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Question directed to ALL Palio 1.6 driver's :

What differences in FE and grip/handling/performance have been experienced by those of you who had been running on stock size (175/65 R14) for a while and later upgraded to a wider tire like 185/60 R14?

Has the steering felt any heavier with the upgrade?
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1. Choose between XM1/A.Drive, both are good. And no, their grip/performance will not be as good as 185/60 or 195/60.

2. Again choose any, both are good. FE difference can be up to 1kmpl. Best you check with owner's who've up sized on their cars. I think Bottle has 185/60's on his car.
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My number 1 priority is SAFETY, for instance, braking action and grip on wet roads.

Having said that, is an upgrade to 185/60 R 14 recommended ?
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Luvjascha question bank.
Go read all the posts in this thread by Ishan and my pm's. Everything u are asking for has been answered clearly many times but still u don't run out of questions for some reason.
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Luvjascha question bank.
Couldn't have put it better. The guy sent me more than 25 PMs with questions ranging from Why does my 1.1 one have a roof antenna to does the Palio have a Digital ODO.

Looks like he has at last bought the car.

Congrats Bro. Enjoy the drive.

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My apologies to Ishan, Prajesh and Rajan for the PMs, and also appreciate all the advice.

Thanks
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How much did you pay for the XM1+ in 185/60 R14, and how much did your stock tires fetch ya'? Were they GPS2s? How soon after vehicle purchase did you get your tires exchanged?
I paid Rs.3940/- per tyre here in Chennai and this was a few months ago, not sure what current prices are.

Traded in the stock tyres which had done 10k by then and got Rs.3500/- for all 5. If you trade in while the tyres are new (<150kms) you can get 1.5~1.8k per tyre for the stock tyres

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When you upsize, there will be some deviation from the stock diameter (Wheel + tyre) - 195/60R14 is closer to stock diameter than 185/60 or 185/65 ( I don't think this size is easily available).
There is a slight downside to 195 section tyres for the Palio 1.6. The stock alloy is 5.5J and the recommended wheel size for 195 section is 6J - mind you, it does work ok with a 5.5J rim - there are people on this forum running this setup.
I think there is very little difference between the sizes afaik -0.94% vs 1.1% so either size should work fine with minimal speedo error. As you said though 195 sized tyres look a bit too big for the rims. Rahulkool from this forum has the same on his car and the tyres look a bit oversized for the rims but are working great all the same

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Thanks Ishan.

If I wish to stick to the stock size of 175/65 R14, what brand should I exchange it for? Are the 175/65 R14 not as good on grip/performance?

If I wish to upgrade to 185/60 R14, what brand is recommended? With the 185/60 R14, how much of a drop in FE can I expect? Is it significant?
It depends on the tyres you use. Something like XM1 will hardly make any difference from the stock goodyears since they do not have a high level of grip as say the PP2.

Btw compared to my 185 /60 profile tyres the braking is much better on Rahulkools car. He has Yoko ES100 and sized at 195/60 and braking is spot on with those due to the width and grip. However steering felt a bit heavier at low speeds compared to the stock tyres and with my XM1

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If you trade in while the tyres are new (<150kms) you can get 1.5~1.8k per tyre for the stock tyres
I plan on getting the tires exchanged on Day 1!

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Btw compared to my 185 /60 profile tyres the braking is much better on Rahulkools car. He has Yoko ES100 and sized at 195/60 and braking is spot on with those due to the width and grip. However steering felt a bit heavier at low speeds compared to the stock tyres and with my XM1
How are Yokohama A.drives on grip/handling/braking in either 175/65 R 14 and 185/60 R14?
Is it the tire size or the brand that matters overall - like handling/grip/braking action, etc. ?

And BTW, since you ran on stock tires for a while and later switched to 185s, how much of a difference in FE are you experiencing ?
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I am getting 0.5~1 kmpl less efficency than with the stock tyres. Brand doesnt matter since all of them have tyres for different purposes. In michelin the XM1 are more of a comfort tyre while Pilot Preceda is a high grip tyre. Similar case for Yokos and other companies.

Not sure how A drives are, some of the other tyre gurus might be able to help on that
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I am getting 0.5~1 kmpl less efficency than with the stock tyres
What FE are you currently getting ?

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In michelin the XM1 are more of a comfort tyre while Pilot Preceda is a high grip tyre.
Yeah. But then again the PP2s don't last as long as the XM1s. So, I guess it's a little bit of a give and take.
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What FE are you currently getting ?
Getting around 10 now while it used to be 11 most of the time. Do stick to a good bunk though. Was getting anywhere between 6 and 8 for some time and only recently found that it was due to bad fuel and switching bunks got me back to my old FE.

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Yeah. But then again the PP2s don't last as long as the XM1s. So, I guess it's a little bit of a give and take.

True, Do scout around and check how the A drives are otherwise XM1 should suit you fine also. (What kind of a driver are you? )

Looking at the treadwear rating of my XM1+, it looks like it will be around for a long long time
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Getting around 10 now while it used to be 11 most of the time. Do stick to a good bunk though. Was getting anywhere between 6 and 8 for some time and only recently found that it was due to bad fuel and switching bunks got me back to my old FE
Anything between 10-11 on a Palio 1.6 is good. It's really hard to tell whether or not the drop in FE is because of fuel quality or wider tires. I guess the FE difference is larger with bad fuel rather than wider tires, what say?
BTW, what fuel are you using -Regular Unleaded?


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What kind of a driver are you?
Sedate driving in city limits. Highway is a totally different story though; however, I don't attempt high-speed cornerings, sudden brakings, etc. I just love to floor it, on an open stretch. I NEVER abuse the tires!

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I guess the FE difference is larger with bad fuel rather than wider tires, what say?
BTW, what fuel are you using -Regular Unleaded?
definitely so

about fuel, am using ioc xtrapremium, find that with regular i get some slight knocking at low speeds/bad traffic and with premium it feels a bit more smooth.

top speed is a bit better with regular though

i think we are getting a bit too OT now though!
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top speed is a bit better with regular though
The vehicle feels smoother and you get better FE than with Extra Premium. Agreed.
But what's with top speed being 'better' with regular?

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i think we are getting a bit too OT now though!
You're right! Anyway, for my driving style, should stock size be OK ?
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It depends on the tyres you use. Something like XM1 will hardly make any difference from the stock goodyears since they do not have a high level of grip as say the PP2.
Bottle, I beg to disagree here!

I have driven on stock (Goodyear GPS2) tires for 26K kms before changing over to Michelin XM1+ recently!

XM1+ is miles ahead of Goodyear stock tires in terms of: Comfort, tyre noise, reasonably good Grip, Braking and Wet driving! There is absolutly no match between these two tires!
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