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Old 4th August 2008, 00:12   #376
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afaik, XM1+ is part of the energy series which is also silica based
Can the guru's confirm this?

BTW, thanks bottle. I appreciate all your help.
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Can the guru's confirm this?

BTW, thanks bottle. I appreciate all your help.
From their website, is this the same ?

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The advanced tread compound significantly improves the longevity
of the tyre whilst the 100% full silica compound maintains the balance
of performance, in particular safety and fuel savings
Michelin India - Energy XM1+
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Seems the same to me.

If this is in fact true, the XM1+ and A.drives are indeed very similar. I'm awaiting Ishan's post on Yokohama's Warranty Info.
BTW, the A.drives cost a little less than XM1+ too!

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Ishan, any info on Yokohama's warranty policy?
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Have asked them to send it to me, should be with me by tomorrow. BTW their tyres are warranted for a period of 5 years from the date of manufacturing.
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Have asked them to send it to me, should be with me by tomorrow. BTW their tyres are warranted for a period of 5 years from the date of manufacturing.
Thanks Ishan. According to Michelin's warranty info, you get a 3-year warranty from the date of purchase, IF tires were purchased within 3 years of date of manufacture.
I always thought that tires should be purchased within 6 months of manufacturing date, and try to avoid anything over 6 months.
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6 months to a year is fine if you're buying a common/fast moving size. For high performance/odd sizes 1-1.5 years is a better expectation since their imports are few & far between.

P.S. Yours is a fast moving size.

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6 month is fine if you're buying a common/fast moving size. For high performance/odd sizes 1-1.5 years is a better expectation since their imports are few & far between.
What you're saying makes sense. So at the time of picking up the tires, I have got to make sure that they are under 6 months old from the manufacturing date.

That said - I'd be getting 2 extra years of warranty if I went with Yokohama's!

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Hi Folks,

Currently running a set of Michelin Pilot Precedas and had two tires severely damaged to the point of needing replacement. Was doing 60 - 70 kph on a stretch of badly potholed road in Punjab on NH1A between Jalandar and Patankot, when I hit a HUGE pothole that was hidden by standing water.

The result was two flat tires on the left side. Both tires had huge cuts on the inside where the rim hit the tire and also damage on the external sidewalls. Looks like I will have to get the alloy rims repaired/replaced and get two new tires. I had large patches and inner tubes installed which have held the tires together for about 1000 km and enabled me to return back to Delhi. At the time of this incident, tire pressure was about 30 psi.

The next time I do this trip, it will be in my Jeep!

Other than this disaster, my experience with the Michelin PP was the following:

Rough ride quality with all bumps and road imperfections felt.
Superb road grip and cornering.
No tears/cuts on the tread or sidewalls after use on rough roads.
Slight increase in ground clearance helps.


Questions:

1. What is the experience of Palio users with 195/60 - 14
2. Will the XM1+ give better ride comfort?
3. Can Adventure spec tires like a 195/70-14 be fitted to give additional cushion and ground clearance? Will it rub on the wheel wells?
4. Any recommendations?
5. Should I have been running higher pressure like 32 or 35 psi?

Pics of the flat tires and the awefull road.
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Questions:

1. What is the experience of Palio users with 195/60 - 14
2. Will the XM1+ give better ride comfort?
3. Can Adventure spec tires like a 195/70-14 be fitted to give additional cushion and ground clearance? Will it rub on the wheel wells?
4. Any recommendations?
5. Should I have been running higher pressure like 32 or 35 psi?

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1. NA (I don't own a Palio)
2. Michelins USP is ride quality. XM1 would be better than PP but don't expect a major difference. PPs have decent ride quality IMO.
3. Hmm, I don't think Palio can accomodate Adventure spec wheels..
4. Try Bridgestone Turanza ER60. One of the best tires for bad roads.
5. Don't run with more than 32psi. Try 28-30-32 psi and check out whichever gives the best combination of ride quality and handling.
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Gaurav, that's some big damage to the wheels and tyres. Good that you were on reasonably moderate speeds.

Looks like you were on a Punjab trip during the independence weekend and with floods reported there

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The next time I do this trip, it will be in my Jeep!
You bet.


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1. What is the experience of Palio users with 195/60 - 14
I just changed to 195/60-14 from the stock 175 tyres. I am using GoodYear Eagle Ventura and must have driven just 200Kms after changing them so can't say much except that:

- Ride quality is less comfortable then the stock bridgestone
- imperfections in the road are amplified more than bridgestones
- cornering & grip is just AMAZING
- no rubbing/scrubbing the wheel wells.
- The whole car ground clearance has improved.
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Hi Shahnawaz,

I just purchased a new set of tires for my Palio. They are BF Goodrich G-Force Sport 185/60-14 . These are great performance oriented tires that give fantastic cornering grip, high speed stability.

Tread wear 340
Tread plies: 2 polyester + 2 steel + 1 polyamide
sidewall: 2 polyester plies
Traction AA, Temp A

Purchased from Tyres Shoppe, Sector 5 Noida . My experience with Tyres Shoppe was not so good, and I would not really recommend this outfit. They were very busy, and the owner did not know any tech details about tires.

The 3D alignment machine was not working
They did not do nitrogen filling until I asked specifically. And I really wonder if the machine works.
Did not want to give a warranty card until I insisted on it.
Mounted 2 tires with wrong rotation direction.
No individual attention.
Did not stock the XM1+ in my sizes.

Would suggest that you go to a smaller shop were there owner is more directly engaged in providing you service.

My initial impression of these tires:

Great handling and control.
Better ride comfort compared to the 195/60 Michelin PP
Lower ground clearance compared to 195/60
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Hi Shahnawaz,

I just purchased a new set of tires for my Palio. They are BF Goodrich G-Force Sport 185/60-14 . These are great performance oriented tires that give fantastic cornering grip, high speed stability.


My initial impression of these tires:

Great handling and control.
Better ride comfort compared to the 195/60 Michelin PP
Lower ground clearance compared to 195/60
Gaurav,
why did you shift to 185's after using 195's? What was your reasoning on this?
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Gaurav,
why did you shift to 185's after using 195's? What was your reasoning on this?
185's give less rough road feedback. Even though the g-force sport is a stiffer tire than the pilot preceda, the ride comfort is overall better due to the smaller 185 width.

The 185/60-14 is also a smaller diameter than 195/60-14. While the smaller diameter reduces ground clearance, the braking improves. Palio brakes are not so good to begin with, so going back to the OEM diameter helps in the braking department.

Also smaller diameter improves acceleration, and handling due to lower center of gravity.
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Gaurav - The owner of Tyre Shoppee aka Mr. Jain is usually quite busy but it's surprising he didn't have 185/60 XM1's in stock. Also what axles are you running the 185's & 195's at now?
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