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Old 22nd August 2008, 12:27   #391
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185's give less rough road feedback. Even though the g-force sport is a stiffer tire than the pilot preceda, the ride comfort is overall better due to the smaller 185 width.

The 185/60-14 is also a smaller diameter than 195/60-14. While the smaller diameter reduces ground clearance, the braking improves. Palio brakes are not so good to begin with, so going back to the OEM diameter helps in the braking department.

Also smaller diameter improves acceleration, and handling due to lower center of gravity.
Surprising! since the 195/60 would have a higher sidewall than 185/60 (117mm v/s 111mm - translating to 6mmX2 - 12mm more diameter in the form of rubber)

My experience on braking was the opposite when I had upsized my Indica from 165/65 R14 (JK Tornado) to 175/65 R14 (Bridgestone S322). The braking definitely felt better. Maybe the width helped or maybe the change in brand!

Please update your experience after you have used your new set of tyres for sometime.
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Gaurav - The owner of Tyre Shoppee aka Mr. Jain is usually quite busy but it's surprising he didn't have 185/60 XM1's in stock. Also what axles are you running the 185's & 195's at now?
I don't fault Mr. Jain for being busy, but do have a problem with lack to attention to detail by his employees. Mounting tires with the wrong rotation direction by Tyres Shoppe is just a telling example of this. I went to the Tyre Shoppe because somewhere on TBHP, it was mentioned that they were a prefered Michelin dealer, and therefore should have inventory in any size offered by Michelin India. But this was not the case.

I found out today that the mishap with the giant pothole in Punjab also bent the rear left axle. It is visibly out of alignment. The dealer is recommending to change it out (Rs. 15K +).

Could this be why Tyre Shoppe said that their 3D alignment machine was not working? Why did they not point out this problem with the rear axle when they did a 4 wheel alignment at the time of the tire purchase?

Iraghava, to answer your question, I am running 185/60-14 BFG G Force at all 4 wheels.


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Surprising! since the 195/60 would have a higher sidewall than 185/60 (117mm v/s 111mm - translating to 6mmX2 - 12mm more diameter in the form of rubber)

My experience on braking was the opposite when I had upsized my Indica from 165/65 R14 (JK Tornado) to 175/65 R14 (Bridgestone S322). The braking definitely felt better. Maybe the width helped or maybe the change in brand!

Please update your experience after you have used your new set of tyres for sometime.
The comfort improved due to the thinner section of 185 vs. 195 .

Braking will improve when you go to a higher quality rubber compound. If you just reduce the diameter of the tire while keeping the brand/rubber material constant, the braking will be better.

Problem with some of the Indian makes is that they are designed for maximum longevity, so a harder rubber compound is used, which will not be so good for performance cornering and braking.
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Hi Folks,
stretch of badly potholed road in Punjab on NH1A between Jalandar and Patankot, when I hit a HUGE pothole that was hidden by standing water.

The result was two flat tires on the left side. Both tires had huge cuts on the inside where the rim hit the tire and also damage on the external sidewalls. Looks like I will have to get the alloy rims repaired/replaced and get two new tires. I had large patches and inner tubes installed which have held the tires together for about 1000 km and enabled me to return back to Delhi. At the time of this incident, tire pressure was about 30 psi.

Pics of the flat tires and the awefull road.
1)Tire pressures for those roads should have been 32psi.
2)The roads remind me of Kerala roads after the monsoons here.
3)You should get yourself tires that have 2 ply rating for the sidewall and I had the same requirement and had to get myself MRF ZV2K. These tires are better than the stock Bridgestones. I went for the wrong up size and got myself 185/65 R 14. If you have the GTX take it from me that its the perfect upsize for your car. 3rd gear in the GTX will see off majority of the cars on the roads. If those pot holed roads are common site only the Palio Adventure will be able to overtake you even though it is over weight compared to the GTX. If you have the 1.2 engine stick to the correct upsize which is 185/60 R 14 otherwise you will end up with a lethargic car.
4)Ride plushness with the MRF's will not be in the league of XM1+ but you will have peace of mind when driving over pot holed roads.
5)You have no option other than 2 ply rating sidewalls with those kind roads.
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Default Fiat palio MJD 1.3 SDX: Tyres

Hello everyone,

I intend to buy a Fiat Palio 1.3 SDX model in the coming month.

I have spoken to two dealers in Pune and both have contradictory opinions on tyres. One said I could fit 14" alloys whereas the other one said I cannot. Who is correct? Could you please compare the difference in mileage/grip/turning radius for the three (stock tyres, 13" alloys, 14" alloys)? Do I have a choice of tyres too? If I do, which ones are recommended for best grip?

Hope to hear from someone soon. Thank you very much.
-Ganesh

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My Palio 1.2 NV Sport came with 14' OEM alloys and 175/65 R14 Bridgestone tires
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For 14 inches
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195/60R14 would be a good profile

You can try Potenza's and Michelin XM1+
(iraghava can assist you better)
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You can fit 14" alloys. My Sports model came with 14" alloys. Only care yu have to take is about 98 pcd and 100 pcd. Most of the imported alloys available are 100 pcd whereas 98 pcd fit on the Palio.

Aura/ Neo have range of 98 pcd alloys.

For the tyres you can go for Michelin XM1+ or BS Potenza. 175 or 185 65 R14 should be good. Avoid Goodyears.
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For the tyres you can go for Michelin XM1+ or BS Potenza. 175 or 185 65 R14 should be good. Avoid Goodyears.
are Potenza and XM1 tubeless tyres?

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For the tyres you can go for Michelin XM1+ or BS Potenza. 175 or 185 65 R14 should be good. Avoid Goodyears.
What made you say that to avoid it? How does that affect to a person who is new to driving a Palio 1.6/MJD?
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You can fit 14" alloys & tyres on your car but provided you can find 98PCD alloys in the first place. They are notoriously hard to find & very little variety in terms of design is available.
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I saw an Aura range of alloys but the dealer said they would come with the Aura (A) logo and not the Fiat logo. I find that quite absurd, frankly. I saw a car in the same showroom with alloys bearing a Fiat logo though. CAn anyone throw some light on this?

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I saw an Aura range of alloys but the dealer said they would come with the Aura (A) logo and not the Fiat logo. I find that quite absurd, frankly. I saw a car in the same showroom with alloys bearing a Fiat logo though. Can anyone throw some light on this?
The car you may have seen would be the 1.6 Stile sport. This car comes with a unique design with a Fiat logo. These are not available in the market and the dealers demand absurd prices - so essentially finding fiat branded alloys in the market is going to be near impossible. You could try the chor/kabadi bazaar for used fiat wheels.
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What made you say that to avoid it? How does that affect to a person who is new to driving a Palio 1.6/MJD?
Doesn't matter if the person is new to driving that vehicle; just that Bridgestone's, Michelin's and Yokohama's are proven tires.
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You can fit 14" alloys. My Sports model came with 14" alloys. Only care yu have to take is about 98 pcd and 100 pcd. Most of the imported alloys available are 100 pcd whereas 98 pcd fit on the Palio.

Aura/ Neo have range of 98 pcd alloys.

For the tyres you can go for Michelin XM1+ or BS Potenza. 175 or 185 65 R14 should be good. Avoid Goodyears.
Which measurement is the 175 or 185 that you quote here? The 14" is the diameter of the wheel, right? I assume the 175 is the width of the tyres. Am I right?

Could you please also answer my question of the comparative effects on grip/mileage/turning radius/braking for the three tyres (stock, 13" alloys, 14" alloys)?

Thanks,
-Ganesh
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Which measurement is the 175 or 185 that you quote here? The 14" is the diameter of the wheel, right? I assume the 175 is the width of the tyres. Am I right?

Could you please also answer my question of the comparative effects on grip/mileage/turning radius/braking for the three tyres (stock, 13" alloys, 14" alloys)?

Thanks,
-Ganesh
Dude,
Check this link:
Car Bibles : The Wheel and Tire Bible Page 1 of 2

This should answer most of your queries.
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