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Old 31st October 2008, 20:44   #1
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Default fitting michelin energy xm-1 tyres on my santro xing. which upsize recommended?

currently it has goodyear gps 2 155/70 R13 tyres
I will retain factory rims but going for new michelin tubeless tyres.

which size is best for my santro xing?

stick to 155/70 r13?
go for 165/70 r13 or
165/65 r13?

any advise is welcome.
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Old 31st October 2008, 21:17   #2
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from my newly gained tyre gyaan, Lemme try a stab at this

XM1's are not available in 165/70. either the stock 155/70 or 165/65. the upsize seems safe, since only a -.5% error is involved.

another possible option is the 176/60, but speedo error will be marginally higher at -1.3%, but the XM1's are not available in that size

there are no energy XM1's . there are XM1's , and energy XM1+'s(not available in 13")

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Old 31st October 2008, 22:13   #3
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165/65 - 13 is best upgrade option for Santro
Tire options in that size ( All are good )
1. Michelin XM1
2. Yokohama A drive
3. Apollo Aceleres

I don't think u will get any tire in 165/70-13.

PS: Search around. There are many threads on Santro wheels.
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another possible option is the 176/60

greenhorn saab,what kind of upgrade will be that??

Anyways,its true that in 13" size,you won't get the energy series from Michelin.
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heh. thats was 175/60. a type from my part, and I'm new to this
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Hi Sid,

My santro has 165/65 R13 and it is a safe upsize and i had not much problems though.
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heh. thats was 175/60. a type from my part, and I'm new to this
Chalo,it can happen to any of us!
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Are you planning an upsize on Stock Rims? Am not too sure about that and would request you to wait until the tyre gurus ok the size.

However I have a Santro shod with 165/65/R13 on Alloys for the past 26k kms and have no problems with them. A few things however that would change the drive though would be:

1) When you take a 'U' turn, normally the steering would come back easily to the Straight Position, whereas after this upsize the steering would request some assist.

2) On Roads where the top layer of Tar are non-existent in places, the car tends to track in the older layers of road when driven over these patches.

These are but minor glitches that one would get used to over time. It's just that I had driven this car around for almost 52k kms on the Company fitted tyres before this upgrade and found this to be slightly different.

But the main thing is the Grip and stability have improved by leaps and bounds.
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Haven't searched in this exclusive thread for Santro?

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...es-santro.html (Upgrading wheels/tyres on Santro)

Stock wheels are 13 x 4J for santro xing with PCD as 100 and 4 bolts.

Best upgrade tyre size: 165/65 R13

It would be advisable to opt for 13x5J wheel to fit upsize tyre.
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Well guys,

I have 2002 santro. The stock tires, the Bridgestone S322s have done 48k kilometers and are begging to be replaced.

I've decided on Michelin XM1s 165/65 R13 but my car runs on stock rims.
I've read a lot on the forum and people have said alloys are the best bet for tubeless tyres.

The point is, the car will stay with me for a maximum of 1.5 years till i graduate from college. And i dont want to spend on alloys now. I wanna use the stock rims and would prefer to get the XM1s in the said size.
Also people have said the 165s bulge out on the stock rims. Will that pose a problem ?

So is it advisable to get those tyres on the stock rims, especially after they've done nearly 50k kilometers. I can get the straightening and painting of the rims done.

So what do the gurus say ?
Should i upsize to 165/65 R13 and use the stock rims after they've been straightened ?
or should i stick to the same size i.e. 155/70 R13 on the stock rims ?


I have been quoted Rs.2650 per tyre for the XM1s here in Hyderabad. Is that reasonable ? Could i get it any more cheaper ?
Also could anyone direct me to the Yokohama dealer in Hyderabad ?
The rim straightening would cost me about Rs.125 per rim.Painting charges extra.

Inputs required guys !
Thanks in advance
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Well guys,

I have 2002 santro. The stock tires, the Bridgestone S322s have done 48k kilometers and are begging to be replaced.

I've decided on Michelin XM1s 165/65 R13 but my car runs on stock rims.
I've read a lot on the forum and people have said alloys are the best bet for tubeless tyres.

The point is, the car will stay with me for a maximum of 1.5 years till i graduate from college. And i dont want to spend on alloys now. I wanna use the stock rims and would prefer to get the XM1s in the said size.
Also people have said the 165s bulge out on the stock rims. Will that pose a problem ?

So is it advisable to get those tyres on the stock rims, especially after they've done nearly 50k kilometers. I can get the straightening and painting of the rims done.

So what do the gurus say ?
Should i upsize to 165/65 R13 and use the stock rims after they've been straightened ?
or should i stick to the same size i.e. 155/70 R13 on the stock rims ?


I have been quoted Rs.2650 per tyre for the XM1s here in Hyderabad. Is that reasonable ? Could i get it any more cheaper ?
Also could anyone direct me to the Yokohama dealer in Hyderabad ?
The rim straightening would cost me about Rs.125 per rim.Painting charges extra.

Inputs required guys !
Thanks in advance
Although am no tyre guru,I can say that Michelin XM1s are way better than Bridgestone S322 anyday.I use XM1s on my car and changed from MRF ZVTS at 3000Kms only.I bought the XM1s for Rs 2350 each 4 months back.The tyres have higher speed ratings and one doesn't need to have alloys for tubeless tyres.If the rims themselves are rusted and worn out,then its better to go for alloys.But then again if you plan to sell your car in another year and a half,I would suggest to paint your rims.
My 2 cents!
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Tubeless tyres on stock steel rims, especially ones that need straightening, is a tad risky IMHO. Given that the air is trapped between the rim and the rubber, a rim with any bends in it would make the car prone to flats.
Instead of repairing the old rims, I would suggest a couple of options keeping your budget constraints in mind.
1. Buy new (or close to new) OE steel rims from a tyre dealer. These should be available, as lots of people switch to alloys soon after buying the car (I did too). New rims would give more peace of mind.
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2. Buy a set of used alloys in good condition. These are available at tyre dealers, and you could also go through the classifieds section in Team BHP to see if someone has put them up for sale. Alloys are stronger than steel rims and last longer. They are also lighter, reducing the unsprung weight and leading to better ride comfort levels. Alloys and tubeless tyres complement each other very well. If needed, you could get the old alloys painted.

The choice of tyre size is perfect. I had 165/65/13s on my Santro and was very satisfied with the results.

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Hi SidIndica

We bought a Santro XO Ltd Edition last July and it came with factory fitted alloys, but 155/70/13 tyres. I think they were Bridgestone tyres. But on the same day, after taking delivery I drove to my usual tyre shop here in Chennai and got the tyres upgraded to imported Good Year Eagle NCT 3 tubeless, of size 185/60/13. The tyres have been superb since then with phenomenal grip and stability, and very good ride.

We have done a couple of long distance trips too and the car handles well even at speeds above 70 kmph. Recently we had a full load of passengers - 5 adults and 2 kids and I drove almost 30-40 kms with that. No problems. No punctures till now.

Tyres are pretty quiet too. The tyres don't rub anywhere inside the wheel arch while turning. It's fine. The tyre guy advised me either to go for 175/60/13 Yokohama A539 or this 185/60/13 in Good Year, both of which were imported tubeless ones. I just took the widest tyre I could fit in the car.

Just wanted to let you know. On stock rims, my tyre dealer says 175/60/13 Yokohama A539 pattern tyres can be fitted safely. So you can consider that.

Hope the above has been useful.

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