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Old 10th December 2008, 08:43   #16
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I mentioned the price in my previous post

They are easily available. As part of YOkohama India's products. They even have the Advan Sport for 17"
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I mentioned the price in my previous post

They are easily available. As part of YOkohama India's products. They even have the Advan Sport for 17"
Do we have a Michelin PP2 beater here? How do these compare with the michelin PP2 and/or PS2s in terms of grip and comfort?

Does Yokohama have a better replacement policy than michelin?
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Do we have a Michelin PP2 beater here? How do these compare with the michelin PP2 and/or PS2s in terms of grip and comfort?
AD07's are miles ahead of the PP2's.
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AD07's are miles ahead of the PP2's.
Really? I was thought PP2's were the best performance tires that also provided a good level of comfort, hence they are so highly recommended in this section of the forum.

Although I hear the newer Michelin PS2s are better, but rather expensive, not sure if they are available officially.

@Nikhil: Since you deal with tires on a daily basis which ones do you recommend as a perfect blend of performance and comfort ?
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@Nikhil, congrats.
Are these uni-directional ?
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Nikhilb2008 : I will also get free balancing, alignment, free nitrogen.
hmm. Must have been the deal-making trump card that Yoko played to get you don these !
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Certain sizes of the Ad-07's are available officially in India but they are quite expensive compared to other products on the market.

Sahil - PS2's are available officially but in limited sizes. Also, PP2's are a good balance whereas the AD-07's are out & out performance tyres. They're extremely grippy but quite noisy too.

P.S. Nikhil, you just redefined overkill!!
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Do we have a Michelin PP2 beater here? How do these compare with the michelin PP2 and/or PS2s in terms of grip and comfort?

Does Yokohama have a better replacement policy than michelin?
I dont know about the replacement policy. Havent had much experience with them to be honest.

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AD07's are miles ahead of the PP2's.
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Really? I was thought PP2's were the best performance tires that also provided a good level of comfort, hence they are so highly recommended in this section of the forum.

Although I hear the newer Michelin PS2s are better, but rather expensive, not sure if they are available officially.

@Nikhil: Since you deal with tires on a daily basis which ones do you recommend as a perfect blend of performance and comfort ?
I may deal with them, but I am a noobie. It's been only 4 months since I started working.

As tyre guru has already posted, PP2s seem to be the best bet for a good compromise.

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@Nikhil, congrats.
Are these uni-directional ? hmm. Must have been the deal-making trump card that Yoko played to get you don these !
Yes. They are.

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Certain sizes of the Ad-07's are available officially in India but they are quite expensive compared to other products on the market.

Sahil - PS2's are available officially but in limited sizes. Also, PP2's are a good balance whereas the AD-07's are out & out performance tyres. They're extremely grippy but quite noisy too.

P.S. Nikhil, you just redefined overkill!!
Ishan, I know. But I was just too tempted. Call this a case of heart ruling over mind.
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Old 18th December 2008, 22:02   #23
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Due to silly delays, I finally got the tyres fitted yesterday. Couldnt test it properly yesterday as it was 6 by the time I left office and I had to come home. The ride though immediately felt better. There is now more rubber to cushion the road.

Also, the steering immediately felt heavier. This is something that pleased me greatly. The NHC has a very light steering as most of you know. It feels like a toy. I mean, my Momo steering wheel feels better to handly. Also, on stock tyres in a straight line, I can move the wheel an mm or so to either side and the car continues to go dead straight.

After fitting these tyres, that part is much lesser. The car feels more fun to drive as the steering is heavier. It's still nothing compared to the Getz, but decent nevertheless.

Now, the best part.

MY dad was returning from Trivandrum today. He could of course have taken a cab from the airport, but I *conveniently* forgot that the cabs were operational today. I told him I'll come and pick him up.

The drive on the expressway was beautiful. Absolutely superb control. Something I had never felt earlier. The expressway is almost dead straight, not too many curves to actually test ANY tyres. So, I had to wait until I reached the turnoff for the airport.

After that, it was so much bloody fun!! I was doing 100 or so and the car stuck to it's lane. Didnt move an inch. I though could feel the G forces as I was almost sliding out of the seat, but the tyres held rock steady. The steering also felt much heavier at these speeds. IT was an absolute pleasure. I dont think I've had more fun in a car.

Braking performance was also exemplary as expected. At 100 I stood on the brake (after checking my rear view mirror) and there was no squeal, no drama, nothing. It just came to a stop in an arrow straight line.

The supposed cons of the tyre: Road noise. I tried this at high speed and at city speeds. Switched off AC AND radio and tried to listen to any sort of tyre noise. Nothing. Nada. Maybe an expert can actually hear it. But even they will need to stop the AC, radio, everything to hear it.

And 99% of the time the music is playing in our car. So, it is not an issue.

The ride is very comfortable. Maybe not as comfy as an XM1+ or something, but compared to the crap S322s we had earlier, these are awesome.

The next part is something I'm not too sure of. Maybe it's just in my mind. Experts, please help me here.

I fel the car felt more planted and stable at high speeds. Not on the smooth roads but over small bumps where it felt like it was half airborne. Not exactly airborne, but you get the drift. I felt this while I was driving and also as a passenger.

After picking my father up, I continued to drive and the road back to the main expressway again has a lot of turns, curves. I had a blast!! At the end of it, my dad said he wanted to check out the performance and took the wheel.Since the curves were behind us, we took a U turn, went back to the airport and did the whole stretch again.

My dad also took the last curve at 100 and the car was dead steady. No tyre squeal or anything. He also did some brake testing. Same result as before.

It was fun to see my dad drive like this. He had a silly grin plastered on his face. Performance had taken a backseat in his driving for the past few years. I hope this is the first step in getting his enthu back. He then started talking abt his K-1000 experiences and how they used to tune the car to perfection and everything.

He too kinda felt that the car felt more planted on the bumps and crests of the road.

All in all, these tyres are absolutely FANTASTIC!! I know I will never get to even 50% of the grip they offer, but my god, it's awesome. The confidence these tyres inspire in corners is something exceptional. I didnt feel this even with the Falken ZE 912 on the Getz(those are also 195/60-14).

I wouldnt recommend this to all drivers though. They are too expensive (at 5.2k a pop) for normal users. But for people who absolutely love driving fast and have fast cars(modded Elantras, Swifts, take note ), I totally recommend these tyres.

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Old 18th December 2008, 23:37   #24
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Aha! Finally there comes a review of the AD07's.

Nikhil and the rest of the guys must have seen Karthik's swift on a recent drive to Maddur. That car kept up with all the Elantra's, RS & the Verna. And probably looked the most stable of all the cars. Everyone was impressed with the way the swift kept taking the corners at Mysore Road at good speeds (never seen a swift have such road presence by any of us on that road before). So much that even hellstar has decided to get AD07's for his Verna.

Nikhil, the tire noise is more evident once you go past 140 kmph. It does get quite irritating actually. But, I really don't care. Its the grip & exceptional braking that matters more to me. Even on hard braking from 200 I am YET to lock up my tires. On a track day, I lost my brake pads due to excessive braking but the tires didn't squeel one bit in protest or neither suffered too much wear and tear. Now that my tires are at the end of their life, its time to grab another pair of AD07's.

PS: The smile on the guys faces who have driven a car shod with AD07's probably explains their experience .

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Old 26th February 2009, 13:26   #25
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@Rahul ---- At 140kmph, I think there are more important things occupying your mind rather than tyre noise!

Time for an update:

Got the first puncture yesterday(At least we noticed it yesterday). It was a small screw in the centre of the tread pattern, so no issues.

The performance of these tyres continues to boggle the mind. I've done many more airport runs and each time I push it harder and harder. The last curve opening out onto the straight in front of the airport is my favourite. I've done some insane speeds on that and no drama at all. Touched 170 after exiting that curve at a ridiculous speed.

I did manage to get a squeal out of the tyres though. Pushed really hard through a particular corner and I could hear a squeal from the tyres. But that was it.

The braking performance is legendary.

Dad took the car to Tirupathi recently and says he had an absolutely blast driving down the ghat section at 3 in the morning.
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Hey Nikhilb2008, looks like a sedentary family sedan has been turned into a beast just by tyre upgrade

Enjoy
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Old 26th February 2009, 13:46   #27
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lol.... That's a nice way of putting it! I wish it becomes more of a beast. Need my dad to give the go ahead for the performance mods. This is his daily drive, so need it to be 100% reliable!
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...The performance of these tyres continues to boggle the mind. I've done many more airport runs and each time I push it harder and harder. The last curve opening out onto the straight in front of the airport is my favourite. I've done some insane speeds on that and no drama at all. Touched 170 after exiting that curve at a ridiculous speed. ....
Nikhil,

The tyres do sound great - and although the grip levels might be insane, keep in mind that they do not alter the laws of physics.

On hard cornering, all it takes is a bit of sand, water or oil to take the insane grip levels to non-existant. This can be especially disastrous if it happens at 170km/h.... do think about it.

Take care and drive smart,
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If you wanna push ultra-high performance tyres,come over to chennai and do it on the track.
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I know. I touched 170 on the straight not on the corner. I was much much slower in the corner.
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