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Old 19th June 2009, 12:35   #151
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Now this is a very question. What do you do with the old tyres when you get the new ones? Do you let the tyre dealer keep it or bring them back and maybe sell them off to someone else?
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Old 19th June 2009, 14:43   #152
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Now this is a very question. What do you do with the old tyres when you get the new ones? Do you let the tyre dealer keep it or bring them back and maybe sell them off to someone else?
try negotiating an exchange deal with the dealer. It is not worth carting it back and trying to sell the same to someone else. will occupy space in your garage for quite a while.
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Old 19th June 2009, 16:05   #153
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@nikhil: thanks for ur opinion. but will 185/70 R13 size fit in a 5Jx13 alloy already existing in the present tyre.

If someone can throw some light on the prices of Turanza and XM1+ in 175/70 R13 and 185/70 R13 sizes, it would really generous of you.
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185/70 R13 will fit comfortable.

In 175/70 R13,

Michelin XM1+ is around 3100
ER60 is about 2.9-3k

In 185/70 R13,

XM1+ is not available, however you have XM1. This costs 3800.
ER60 is around 2.9k
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I have a getz crdi - the stock tyres are 175/65 R 14 and i think the rim size is 5 J - based on the sticker on the quarter glass.

What are the benefits of upgrading to :

185/60 R 14 and
185/65 R 14

as discussed previously in this thread for the first option there is a overall diameter decrease of about 0.98 % and for the second there is an increase of 2.23 % - what effects will it have on performance of the engine and the ride quality of the car ...

I am planning to replace the GPS to XM 1+
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Old 22nd June 2009, 20:21   #156
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185/65 R14 will be better. your ride quality will be better. No effect in anyway on the performance of the engine.

XM1+ is a very good option. You can also think of Yoko A drives if you want.
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Old 22nd June 2009, 21:20   #157
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Nikhil, My bro is planning to go for the tyre replacement for his Astra, what would be the cost for 4 tyres and the size??


Also one of the rim has got bent, he wants to replace it to.
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What size Lohith? Replacing an Astra rim can be a bit tricky.

Is it a 4- hole 100 PCD rim?
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Nikhil, he has stock rims i guess 14... can we get a stock rim? i know replacing all of them will be tricky..

What would Turanza cost?
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Turanza in what size?

Replacing a single Astra rim can be tricky. If it is a 4 hole 100 PCD, he can try to pick up a rim from Maruti. Because the specs are the same. Or a hyundai 14" rim.
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Is Turanza available in 185/ 65 R14?
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Is Turanza available in 185/ 65 R14?
No, they have 185/70 R14

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Old 15th July 2009, 16:47   #163
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Default An update on the Michelin Energy XM1+

Its been roughly 3K+ kms since I replaced my stock Bridgestone S322s on my Palio S10 with the Michelins. This is what I think and how they compare with the stock rubber :-

What is good :-
1] The talking point of the Michelin Energy series rubber has to be the awesome ride quality. There is a sea change in the ride quality as compared to the Bridgestones. I can feel this difference the most when going over tarmac. Even potholes are taken well and I can generally go quicker and worry less.

2] The pick up is marginally better or atleast it seems to be that way. This is most probably due to the low resistence nature of the tread.

3] The noise levels - even at speeds over 120 km/h, there is hardly any noise from the tyres. These tyres are great if a silent ride is high on your priorities. In comparison, the S322s were decidedly noisy, especially at highway speeds.

4] If you read the very first post on this thread, I was pretty apprehensive about buying the XM1s due to reports mentioning that these tyres are unable to take a lot of abuse due to their softer compound. I have to say that so far, they have held up pretty well. And I hope that they continue to be good over bad terrain.

5] They look great.

The not so good :-

1] One of my priorities was good steering feedback and decent cornering ability and I was hoping the Michelins would fit the bill. Have to say that I am somewhat disappointed. The feedback through the steering is good, cant say the same for cornering ability. The low resistence characteristics of the tyres are to be blamed I guess. They are not bad at cornering, but the words "cornering like on rails" do not fit here. Infact, shockingly, the stock Bridgestone S322s did a better job at cornering and gave more confidence mid-corner to push harder.

2] A small inconvenience, the tread pattern is such that a lot of small stones get stuck.

My Verdict :-

The Michelin Energy XM1+ are heavily biased towards comfort and low noise, providing a magic carpet like ride. At the same time, they have affected the handling and cornering ability of the S10 a bit. Point is, they are fantastic tyres, but I'm afraid, they just dont compliment the S10's sporty nature. The S10 seems to be begging for Pilot Precedas/ S Drives. I was hoping to get a compromise between handling and ride quality and hence did not opt for those. Not to mention the high price factor. So I thought the Energy series would fit the bill.

But they ride much better than they corner, and I could do with a little compromise on the ride front for better cornering ability. Overall, I am reasonably happy with the tyres since 90% of the time I travel in city limits, but I would have been happier if they performed better on the remaining 10%, i.e. when I am attacking the twisties.
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Roms, you are spot-on with the review of Energy XM1+. Agree to all your observations.
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1] One of my priorities was good steering feedback and decent cornering ability and I was hoping the Michelins would fit the bill. Have to say that I am somewhat disappointed. The feedback through the steering is good, cant say the same for cornering ability.
Yes, I was disappointed with the cornering ability of XM1+.
It was almost same as my stock Goodyear GPS2 tyres.
I was expecting a sea change with XM1+, but it was not to be!
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2] A small inconvenience, the tread pattern is such that a lot of small stones get stuck.
Yep, a small nuisance, I ensure I remove it during my weekly car wash.

But, I love the superb ride comfort it offers!
Also the improved braking ability & driving on rainy wet roads.

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Even I changed from S322 to XM1+ on my Viva and there is defintely a sea of change ( some of them mentioned already)

1. Beautiful ride quality and absolutely silent ride at all speeds

2. I experienced a better handling than S322, maybe because i upgraded an inch from 13 to 14 with 20mm wider section tyres. Difference in handling is phenomenal.

3. As rightly said, lot of stones get stuck in the tyre. But, i patiently remove them every 2-3 days.

4. Finally the most important aspect, braking has improved drastically. Previously the car never stop in a hurry ( read when your above 100kmph) but, now i dont even have to downshift or engine brake, even in overdrive, the car stops beautifully.

Have done about 5K kms on them and i am totally satisfied with these tyres
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