Michelin Energy XM1+ & Bridgestone Turanza ER-60....The Best Allrounders?

finneyp · 13th March 2009, 12:06

Mobike, I did a upsize from 165 (stock Goodyear) to 185 (Michelin XM1+) on my Palio, I didn't notice any drop in FE, on the contrary I feel a slight increase in FE, this is due to the lower rolling resistance in XM1+.

mobike008 · 13th March 2009, 12:35

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Originally Posted by finneyp

Mobike, I did a upsize from 165 (stock Goodyear) to 185 (Michelin XM1+) on my Palio, I didn't notice any drop in FE, on the contrary I feel a slight increase in FE, this is due to the lower rolling resistance in XM1+.

That's most reassuring. All this talk about lower rolling resistance in XM1+, is it outlined in their website? Btw, Did you also upgrade the rim size?

zensure · 13th March 2009, 12:41

Any comments/suggestions on this?

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Originally Posted by zensure

Hi Elsewhere in this forum, there was a concern that 195/70 R14 on 5.5J may balloon. Pl see the link below (post # 512)
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...ade-swift.html

Has anybody experience in using 195/70R14 on 5.5J rim?

finneyp · 13th March 2009, 12:47

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Originally Posted by mobike008

All this talk about lower rolling resistance in XM1+, is it outlined in their website? Btw, Did you also upgrade the rim size?

Yes, it is mentioned in their site, check the last para on this page:
Michelin Australia

I did upsize my rim from R13 to R14.

mobike008 · 24th March 2009, 15:25

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Originally Posted by mobike008

Thanks for the response. I have done only 180kms and gauge is just above the half mark

whereas on stock tyres, it used to reach half mark at around 300kms.

I reckon will wait for the complete tankful before i make any assumptions.

Also, i forgot to mention, i got nitrogen filled up and kept a pressure of 31psi all around. The car seems well balanced and bouncy, so no way it can be lower pressure.

Someone was suggesting, i keep a different pressures for front and rear. I have never done it before, i always keep all 4 tyres equal pressure. And increase or decrease 1-2 psi if i am going on the highway....

Finally, my concerns on FE after the upgraded tyre change ( from 175 section to 195 section XM1+ ) were rested a couple of days ago when i re-filled after my first tankful.

Covered 530kms and it took in 37L = 14.3KMPL. Out of those 530 kms, 200kms was hard driving on the highway with almost no change to 5th gear and 330kms in city traffic.

I am not pleased at all, i am actually delighted

pole_position · 27th March 2009, 14:51

Got my parents Swift Dzire DDiS today.
After getting it home I left to upgraded the tires to Michelin XM-1 185/70/R14 from JK stuff[165/80/R14] that was given. I had option to opt for GIIIs OR PP2s but ride quality would change drastically by lower profile on those tires[60/65] so dropped the idea.

Bogus · 27th March 2009, 21:41

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Originally Posted by Bubby

I got YOKOs A-Drive, on my Palio MJD some 1000 kms back. The tyre noise has just eliminated, the car feels more gripped to the road as compared to the stocked ones.

The driving comfort has increased a lot, steering has become lighter, went to Dehradun last week, clocked 130+ kmph, with that extra confidence that YOKOs gave me, the braking has improved on its head.

A-Drive in Delhi costed me a 3k per tyre.

Whats the Tyre size of your A-Drives?

iraghava · 28th March 2009, 03:29

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Originally Posted by pole_position

Got my parents Swift Dzire DDiS today.
After getting it home I left to upgraded the tires to Michelin XM-1 185/70/R14 from JK stuff[165/80/R14] that was given. I had option to opt for GIIIs OR PP2s but ride quality would change drastically by lower profile on those tires[60/65] so dropped the idea.

Good that you did not go for an incorrect upsize. Why don't you try getting the tyres from another dealer?

dhir_d · 5th April 2009, 16:15

Hi

I have changed my car's tyres today in gurgaon
the dealer asked for 4500/per piece. Negotiatied for 100 off
michelin xm1+ 195/60/14

iridium · 9th April 2009, 20:09

Got the OE tyres changed immediatly after delivery.

Current ODO reading is 34,650kms. Its still good for around 10k kms.

Ravi.

Ravveendrra · 11th April 2009, 10:30

I need new rubber for my Laura which has 6.5 J 16" rims. The original rubber was 205/55 R16 with Load Index of 91 and speed rating V. I have since put in a Pete's box. I am looking at a minor upsize to 225/55 R16.

I have short-listed the Pirelli P7s and Michelin Pilot Primacy. The Michelin MXV8 and Good-year Eagle F1's are also at the back of my mind.

Has anyone done a comparo of the above tyres? Which is the best option? I am looking for (a) outright grip (b) cornering ability (c) braking (d) ability to withstand our bad roads (e) decent wet-road capability

Cheers and thanks in advance,

absynthguzzler · 11th April 2009, 10:47

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Originally Posted by Ravveendrra

I need new rubber for my Laura which has 6.5 J 16" rims. The original rubber was 205/55 R16 with Load Index of 91 and speed rating V. I have since put in a Pete's box. I am looking at a minor upsize to 225/55 R16.

I have short-listed the Pirelli P7s and Michelin Pilot Primacy. The Michelin MXV8 and Good-year Eagle F1's are also at the back of my mind.

Has anyone done a comparo of the above tyres? Which is the best option? I am looking for (a) outright grip (b) cornering ability (c) braking (d) ability to withstand our bad roads (e) decent wet-road capability

Cheers and thanks in advance,

Finalizing your decision at last!.Is this the after effects of Fast n Furious ? lol

iridium · 18th April 2009, 06:23

Checked the prices for Michelin Energy XM1+ (185/70 R14). Its 3.5k in Bangalore.
Source: General Tyres JC Road, Good year Tyres: 80 feet Road Rajajinagar.

goandude · 6th June 2009, 14:49

My experience with XM 1's when I changed over my stock bridgestone tyres after 45K Kms on my matiz :-
Pros
1. Soft side wall and thus very comfortable
2. grippy.
3. No noise

Cons
1. Bent front steel rim when I went into a medium sized pothole at about 100 kmph
2. Most expensive of the 185/70/14 that im thinking of exchanging in yet to materialise dzire (3800/- per tyre).

Alternatives:
Aceleres - Good looking. saw one on the i20 and wow. (3400/-) IMO little harder tread rubber.
Yoko A drives - all rounder (3150/-)
P III's - all rounder (3350/-)

Ravveendrra · 6th June 2009, 15:37

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Originally Posted by absynthguzzler

Finalizing your decision at last!.Is this the after effects of Fast n Furious ? lol

I finally settled for the Michelin Primacy HPs (not to be confused with the LCs) and they are good. Will update after some more running.

Cheers,

13th March 2009, 12:06	#106
finneyp Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,716 Thanked: 319 Times View My Garage	Mobike, I did a upsize from 165 (stock Goodyear) to 185 (Michelin XM1+) on my Palio, I didn't notice any drop in FE, on the contrary I feel a slight increase in FE, this is due to the lower rolling resistance in XM1+.
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27th March 2009, 14:51	#111
pole_position Newbie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 23 Thanked: 0 Times	Got my parents Swift Dzire DDiS today. After getting it home I left to upgraded the tires to Michelin XM-1 185/70/R14 from JK stuff[165/80/R14] that was given. I had option to opt for GIIIs OR PP2s but ride quality would change drastically by lower profile on those tires[60/65] so dropped the idea.
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5th April 2009, 16:15	#114
dhir_d BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 44 Thanked: 5 Times	Hi I have changed my car's tyres today in gurgaon the dealer asked for 4500/per piece. Negotiatied for 100 off michelin xm1+ 195/60/14
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9th April 2009, 20:09	#115
iridium BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 101 Thanked: 10 Times	185/70 R14 Michelin Energy XM1 on Swift VDI Got the OE tyres changed immediatly after delivery. Current ODO reading is 34,650kms. Its still good for around 10k kms. Ravi.
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11th April 2009, 10:30	#116
Ravveendrra Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 1,391 Thanked: 446 Times View My Garage	Pirelli P7 or Michelin P. Primacy I need new rubber for my Laura which has 6.5 J 16" rims. The original rubber was 205/55 R16 with Load Index of 91 and speed rating V. I have since put in a Pete's box. I am looking at a minor upsize to 225/55 R16. I have short-listed the Pirelli P7s and Michelin Pilot Primacy. The Michelin MXV8 and Good-year Eagle F1's are also at the back of my mind. Has anyone done a comparo of the above tyres? Which is the best option? I am looking for (a) outright grip (b) cornering ability (c) braking (d) ability to withstand our bad roads (e) decent wet-road capability Cheers and thanks in advance, Last edited by Ravveendrra : 11th April 2009 at 10:33.
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18th April 2009, 06:23	#118
iridium BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 101 Thanked: 10 Times	Checked the prices for Michelin Energy XM1+ (185/70 R14). Its 3.5k in Bangalore. Source: General Tyres JC Road, Good year Tyres: 80 feet Road Rajajinagar.
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6th June 2009, 14:49	#119
goandude Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mysuru Posts: 1,761 Thanked: 1,276 Times	My experience with XM 1's when I changed over my stock bridgestone tyres after 45K Kms on my matiz :- Pros 1. Soft side wall and thus very comfortable 2. grippy. 3. No noise Cons 1. Bent front steel rim when I went into a medium sized pothole at about 100 kmph 2. Most expensive of the 185/70/14 that im thinking of exchanging in yet to materialise dzire (3800/- per tyre). Alternatives: Aceleres - Good looking. saw one on the i20 and wow. (3400/-) IMO little harder tread rubber. Yoko A drives - all rounder (3150/-) P III's - all rounder (3350/-)
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