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Old 4th May 2009, 12:04   #1
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Default Tata safari Owners, how do you get camber adjusted?

At around 13000kms, my safari underwent a Tie rod replacement.
Barely in 2500kms, both the front tires inner tread was completely lost.
This usually happens due to negative camber.
I got alignment checked at Tyre shoppe, and the camber was reading -1.26. which is humongous.
Fixing alignment costs 300rs here, which is a lot, but a bigger shock was camber adjustment, which costs 400rs/wheel at tyre shoppe. Quite a big sum.
anyways, what had to be done, had to be done, and couple of 'shins' were removed. The job took around 45 minutes, and not the alignment is well within the limits.

Have any of you safari owners gotten camber adjustment done? How much does it cost? 400rs seems a little too steep to me, and I cannot find any other shop in noida which can do the same.

After getting camber adjusted, I also changed the tire side, which involved removing the tyre from rim and fixing it other way round, so that the worn out side of the tire is now on the outside.
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@tsk1979: AFAIK radials should be rotated in a manner that the direction of rotation (clockwise or anti-clockwise) does not change. So if you wanted to do inner to outer change then shift the left side tyre to right side. That is why in normal rotation it is suggested that the tyres be changed from front right to rear right and so on. The inner ply's tend to blow up at high speed after rotation reversal.

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Sudev. I have done the same. Put left tyre to right, and right to left on changing the direction. So direction of rotation is same.
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Alignment after Tie rod replacement is essential - I had mine done at Star Wheels. As I mentioned yesterday, shim replacement is best done at the workshop & not at the wheel alignment guys.

I'm a little surprised that Tyre Shoppee did this for you - I remember quite some time back, I had enquired about this (my Fiesta's was marginally out) & they specifically told me that I should get it done at the workshop.
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Autolinks refused to do alignment.. they do not have the proper equipment for alloy wheeled safaris!
Next time I get alignment done I will head to some TASS in Noida and see how and what they do!

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Autolinks refused to do alignment.. they do not have the proper equipment for alloy wheeled safaris!
Next time I get alignment done I will head to some TASS in Noida and see how and what they do!
I know that Autolinks don't do alignment for alloy wheels. What I meant was - the alignment needs to be done after a Tie rod end replacement & not at the workshop. Shim adjustment - Workshop; Alignment after Tie rod end change - specialist shop (like Star Wheels).
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The only way to adjust camber is to remove the shim.
Now I can get shim removed at workshop, but then how will they check whether removing the shim fixed the camber. For that I have to go to tyre shop again for alignment check.

Thankfully the alignment is in order now, and the car goes in a straight line even when I leave the steering. Part of the tread is missing at extreme corner, guess I will have to live with that, and after around 15K kms, buy another JK elanzo!

When suspension issues ate up our indica's tires, Tata refunded us part of tire money(66% refunded) as car had run on 10K kms
I wonder if they will do the same here.
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The only way to adjust camber is to remove the shim.
Now I can get shim removed at workshop, but then how will they check whether removing the shim fixed the camber. For that I have to go to tyre shop again for alignment check.
Correct! Or you have to find a workshop where they have an alloy wheel aligning machine....ABS Motors??? Not sure.

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When suspension issues ate up our indica's tires, Tata refunded us part of tire money(66% refunded) as car had run on 10K kms
I wonder if they will do the same here.
I'm curious - how often do you get your alignment checked? I have it done every 5k kms even though interval specified in manual for wheel rotation etc is 15k kms. Considering the terrain over which you do a lot of your driving, you should get alignment done more frequently than specified.
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Last time I got it done was at around 9K.
After that tie rod replacement was done at aorund 13500 along with radiator replacement.
No alignment was done then. Infact the workshop did not recommend alignment check at all. I should have been more vigilant too.
Within 2500kms, the front tires got eaten!

you have driven over 60K, have you ever gotten camber checked or adjusted?
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you have driven over 60K, have you ever gotten camber checked or adjusted?
Checked but hasn't required adjusting so far. I did get the alignment done immediately after the Tie Rod end replacement though - it was specifically advised by Autolinks.
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I have this place in Gurgaon Mahadev Tyres just next to MGF Toyota, I always get my Tyres aligned from here except for A.S.S. I ensure I rotate at 10000 & get them alingned, camber alingned & balanced.

The total amount he charges me is 650/- being a regular & also gives me a 1 month free checkup in case i am going for a long or rough drive.

My Scorpio has clocked 65000 & still have 40 - 45 % tyre life left.

Tyres are original Bridgestone, not an issue till yet. But he tells that not all people are aware of camber alignment & not all shops do it & it is certainly necessary in big cars like Scorpio & safari.
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Camber ajustment in the Safari will be expensive because it is a very labour intensive process. Normally, the camber can be adjusted coarsely by changing the thickness of the shim pack on the top arm, and then fine tuned by an eccentric nut on the lower arm. By some stroke of genius, the engineers at tata have not provided an eccentric nut in the Safari front suspension.
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i have always got my safari serviced(read oil/filter change too) and tyre alignment/rotation done for all tyres inclusing the spare at every 5k kms religiously.

and i never had to do anything except it.

And tanveer, its a basic that whenever you change suspension parts then you should get alignment done after and that what my mechanic has been telling me since ages and now i know its so true.
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I had to get a camber adjustment done to my Safari at 35K some years back when it hit a big depression in the jungles of Chilla.

This was done at my regular tyre guy on the Aurobindo Marg next to the TB hospital and charged me Rs.600 that included wheel balancing, alignment etc. He had to shut shop due to sealing and moved to Okhla. Ever since I had no need to get the camber adjusted. I get the Safari aligned regularly at 5K kms and rotate the tyres at 10K. No issues till date and have clocked 70K kms.
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Looks like I am the only guy with camber issues, and that too so early in the life of vehicle!
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