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Old 12th August 2009, 16:01   #31
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I tend to agree that the XM1s wear out faster. My original bridgestones (Matiz 2000 model) lasted 40 K and i replaced them with XM1s. now with 56K on the odo they have very little thread left on them. Maybe XM1+ is better, lets hope so.
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@Nikhil - now 20k would suck big time! I have them on the Spark, so it should be ok!
I have seen a set of XM1 slicks on Getz CRDi after 20k kms.
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Well, mine have covered 30k so far, no problems yet, lets see how far they go........
How much tread left ? 40/30/20 % ?
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Old 12th August 2009, 17:24   #33
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How much tread left ? 40/30/20 % ?
Haven't measured but on visual inspection, definitely 40% if not more........
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Then no problems . Will last you 50k easily.
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Old 12th August 2009, 17:41   #35
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Having new XM1s as well as XM 1 plus, I notice that the latter has a deeper thread to start. Michelin look to have added more rubber as much as anything else they did to get more life.
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Old 12th August 2009, 17:44   #36
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I have Michelin XM1 165/65 R13 and they clocked 31K Kms and are quite good enough to go another 12K to 15K realistically. I am a highway cruiser apart from using it in the city too and till date never faced any issues. Of Course as it goes, every soul has their own set of rants and kudos, I still feel they are doing pretty good in my case.

In my opinion its an overkill to have the treads and tyres last for beyond 45K Kms after having delivered their service.

Some trivial issues but definitely helpful things in the long run for any tyre being
1. Regular Tyre rotation
2. Wheel Balancing and Alignment

Many folks do not bother to get these basic things done and quite obviously the tyres do not last long enough.

P.S: I do not work for Michelin and it is just my experience with the debated lot here.
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Old 12th August 2009, 22:35   #37
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...I am sure that 40k is not bad at all. Even 30k is not pathetic in my book.
Even I wouldn't have felt as bad at 30k. I had already replaced last (stock) set at 30k. But, looking at the treads now, I will have to retire all of them in next 5k at the most. That makes it 20k kms- meaning approx 50p per km ownership cost. This according to me is too much to pay for a brand.

I didn't have any prior experience of Michelin, nor I surveyed the market when I bought these. It was pure trust in Michelin's reputation and brand and the *hope* of a good ride for a long time. But, I am royally disappointed- oonchi dukan fiki pakwaan (someone pls translate ).

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...not everyone will have problems with the XM1. But on the whole, there were lots of complaints regarding the short life of these tyres...
At the very least they should have made a tyre which lasts long given that the Indian consumer is first of all paying a premium for the Michelin tyre.
XM1 was probably a badly engineered product. They know it, hence, they hurriedly took it off the shelves and introduced xm1+.


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rims can be the culprits here...
Not in my case. There is no air loss. The stock tyres had run for 30000 kms in a period spanning over half a decade on same rims. No one, including Michelin inspection engineer, dealer or MASS sensed issues with the rims. Even if we believe that one or two rims are defective, how does it explain fast wear (almost identical) on all tyres? All tyres look as if they have already run for 30k kms.

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That's your mistake not the company's. When you upsize the OD error is your problem
This was just an observation for wide public consumption. Not a complaint against tyre.


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Simply because you're an exception is no reason for us to believe the tyres are defective.
That is your choice. Can't help. I am just stating facts from my first hand experience. Allow me few days I will post the pictures and service records of tyres.


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Tyres are not recyclable since rubber is a thermosetting polymer.
Thanks for correcting and enlightening me.
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Old 12th August 2009, 22:56   #38
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Have Xm1s on my IKon, they grip a lot better, life is not as good as some others but as long as it keeps me alive its fine, I have had many situations where I would have probably gone off the road without these, maybe the car was being pushed a little more than it could take. This is an exception, may not work the same on all cars because of difference in chasis, suspension, build etc. For my type pf driving (quick) it works fine.
Overall experience I am happy, decent tyres for what they are, not great but not bad at all.
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Old 12th August 2009, 23:28   #39
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I had put XM1's (155/65/R13) on my WagonR in Oct 2006. Covered 30k so far and still approx 40% tread left. I am happy as I haven't had any issues so far. However, I do agree with Ishan about the air loss. Saw an OHC at my dealer whose owner reported frequent air loss from one of the tyres and it turned out that the rim was the problem.
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I have XM1s (185/60 R13s) on my esteem and been using them for 35,000 kms now without any issue. My friend purchased a similar set of tires for his esteem, but his tires have worn out unevenly because of wheel alignment issues.
XM1s aren't that soft and don't grip well. They are excellent on wet surfaces. I hate the soft sidewalls; this is one roll inducing tire.
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Old 28th August 2009, 20:43   #41
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Some pics that I had taken few weeks back. Mind it tyres are 2 years and 15000 kms old. Looking at the treads, I am worried will it survive another 6k kms/1 year?
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what is the thread wear rating on the XM1 and XM1+ tires.
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Old 28th August 2009, 22:03   #43
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Oh man! That is some bad wear for 15,000 kms! I feel for your man. When you have invested your hard earned money, it is difficult to forgive the company for introducing a badly engineered(relatively) product.
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Old 15th September 2009, 10:49   #44
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Fast Tread wear: Yes. This was the HUGE problem with XM1. That is why now, the XM1+ is available. It is only recently that the XM1+ has been ntroduced in sizes like 155/65 R13, 165/65R13, 155/70R13, etc... In most other sizes, the XM1+ has been in the market for more than a year. They last long. Much much longer than the XM1. The XM1+ should last around 50k kms.
Totally agree with you there. XM1's on my matiz has almost gone bald with 16K city driving. For comarison my S233 Bridgestones lasted 40K. I suppose this is the compromise between grip and wear.
Tread werar rating 320?? Temperature A Traction A

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Dont pay much attention to those ratings. They dont make any sense in the real Indian world.
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