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Old 19th March 2007, 09:34   #181
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Thanks Kpzen and vid6639,

I actually want tyres that can assist me in steering well, you know how its in bangalore, and I want to actually make the steering lighter as most of the driving is in the city and now I dont plan to install Alloys, planning to install them after 2 months, so can i these tyres have them on the stock rims?

guess I was not specific in terms of good control, anyways so that what my need is, wil the tyres you guys have mentioned still hold good? ( are these tubeless?)

And can someone help me out with the exchange of the stock tyres, how much can I expect for them?
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Old 19th March 2007, 12:19   #182
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Coupla questions, JPL:

1. Do you have power steering?

2. Oops. Ran outta questions.

EDIT:
Sorry, saw your earlier post. So no power steering.

You can go for slightly wider alloys later, something like what rks has - 4.5J. Currently, just pick up a set of 165s. Everybody else will suggest Bridgestones, I'll say Goodyear Eagle Venturas.

Ensure proper tyre pressure (28-30psi), & methinks you shouldn't have a problem with the steering.

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Old 19th March 2007, 12:23   #183
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elf, nope no power steering.
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Old 19th March 2007, 13:44   #184
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You can go for slightly wider alloys later, something like what rks has - 4.5J. Currently, just pick up a set of 165s. Everybody else will suggest Bridgestones, I'll say Goodyear Eagle Venturas.

Ensure proper tyre pressure (28-30psi), & methinks you shouldn't have a problem with the steering.
Actually I have 5J alloys with stock 155/70 tyres. I had said 4.5J would be better for my Santro, but I didn't get them anywhere. 165/65 should be OK with alloys. Lighter alloys will compensate for heavier/grippier tyres, so steering should be fine. With stock wheels steering will be a bit heavier with 165/65, and so 155/70 will be better. Also important to choose offset of the alloys correctly -- incorrect offset may make steering too heavy or too light, as per the Carbibles website. I think for Santro Xing offset should be close to +40 mm.

Edit: In my case, the offset of the alloys is +26 mm, which is 20 mm less than the stock wheel's 46 mm. This should in principle make the steering heavier, but I don't find much difference. Guess it's because of lighter alloys and also I have stock-size tyres (S322 tubeless). And yes, tyre pressures are important, as noted by Elf.

And regarding clutch shudder, if you google "clutch shudder" ecu you will get a number of hits. Apparently in one case ECU was reprogrammed to solve the clutch shudder problem. So my premise that unstable response of the ECU causes clutch shudder may not be that far off.

@BUSA, alloys do make a difference -- marginal, but noticeable increase in pick-up.

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elf, nope no power steering.
I personally ran 165/65 R13's on my non-PS Santro for about 3 years from 2001-2003 and never found the steering to be heavy even while parking. So I don't think that should be an issue provided you keep them inflated correctly.
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Old 19th March 2007, 18:39   #186
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I personally ran 165/65 R13's on my non-PS Santro for about 3 years from 2001-2003 and never found the steering to be heavy even while parking. ...
I drove a Mahindra MM540 for about 6 months many, many moons ago. Thick rubber, no power steering, smaller dia steering wheel.

After that, I was one of the few who could turn the wheel of my W123 whilst the car was off & standing still, i.e. without power steering.

Today, I drive a Lancer with power assisted steering. Driving wifey's Alto (without PS & a smaller dia steering wheel, 165/65R13 tyres) totally tires me out & pisses me off. She, of course (& to my eternal embarrassment), has no problem.

The point I'm eventually going to make (like in all my posts), is that it depends upon person to person, what one is used to or not, one's age, whether one goes to a gym or not, whether one is a mazdoor or not, & a myriad list of other factors.

Besides which, what would you know, Raglady? You're not a tyre dealer, are you?
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You can go for slightly wider alloys later, something like what rks has - 4.5J. Currently, just pick up a set of 165s. Everybody else will suggest Bridgestones, I'll say Goodyear Eagle Venturas.
But i doubt if Venturas are available in 165/65-13 ....I think it starts from 185/60-13...
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But i doubt if Venturas are available in 165/65-13 ....I think it starts from 185/60-13...
Shall check with my dealer. In the meanwhile, check with yours as well. I think 175/65R13 is available. Not too sure though.
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Shall check with my dealer. In the meanwhile, check with yours as well. I think 175/65R13 is available. Not too sure though.

elf these are the sizes in which Eagle ventura are available
185/60R13
185/65R14
195/60R14
185/60R14
195/65R15
205/65R15
205/55R15
195/50R16
195/60R15
205/60R15
205/55R16
195/50R15
225/50R16
205/50R16
205/45R16
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Spoke to my dealer this afternoon. He says that 165s would be available, but one would have to search for them.

@kpzen:
If you got that list off a website, what market was it that they were listed for? Often enough, different sizes are sold in different markets, depending upon the demand.
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Spoke to my dealer this afternoon. He says that 165s would be available, but one would have to search for them.

@kpzen:
If you got that list off a website, what market was it that they were listed for? Often enough, different sizes are sold in different markets, depending upon the demand.
source of eagle ventura size list
EAGLE VENTURA


If your dealer says so then its fine....The only Venturas i've seen in 13" is 185/60-13 in my friends zen



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elfie,
goodyear india site:

EAGLE VENTURA

I'm guessing the ones your getting will be direct import and the warranty will be a problem later. It's the same with bridgestone here. Some shops have all sizes even though not listed on the bridgestone india site. they will tell you warranty is there but when something does go wrong your stranded.

edit: kpzen posted before me.

ps:@kpzen your friends rear left tyre is oolta.

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ps:@kpzen your friends rear left tyre is oolta.

Ya i know....He was running on stepney ...the disadvantage of having uni directional tyres....
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[quote=autoenthusiast;388893]Folks, did a Mumbai-Pune-Mumbai trip today, the new 165/65 Turanza tubeless tyres are really amazing.

Hi, How much did these cost you ? I plan to put the same on my Xing ?
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planning to buy alloy for my santro..... not planning for change of tyres as it is just 5 months old.. and run 3.8k.....

which size will be suitable for the santro ... i got confused seeing neo wheels site ... as he shows 3 sizes for santro .. they r

13" * 5.5", 13" * 5" , 14" * 6" and 14" * 6"+


help me in this as am not so well versed in this matter
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