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Old 12th July 2009, 04:08   #496
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Good decision on your part not to drive the car. Get Turanzas from the dealer and moreover they should cost less in my opinion.
Finally replaced the Potenza GIII 165/60 R13 with Turanza 165/65 R13!

funny but the the Turanza 165/65 R13 feels a bit harsher than the Potenza GIII 165/60 R13!!!
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Old 12th July 2009, 16:42   #497
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Congratulations on the proper upgrade.

By the way, the next time you go for refilling air in tyres, try 29 psi rather than normal 30. The ride should improve.
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I can't get Michelin or yokohama now as I have already paid to this dealer and he is a Bridgestone Authorised dealer who keeps only bridgestone stuff. but still suggested me wrong size.. now I went to his place today but he was closed today because of water logging in some suburban areas.. hope to catch him tomorrow and also hope he agrees to replace with Turanzas without any fuss... as I had asked him several times and even suggested to check the website but he said that he is sure that the 165/60 R13 Potenza GIII are right size for santro... and Potenzas are best

I am not even using the car till I get the replacement so that the tyres remains in the same condition as it was in his showroom.
where did you find that the 165/60/r13 are the wrong size?

Iam running gIII 175/60/r13 for the last 1.5 yrs, noisy, yes, but good grip and after 15000 km, very little wear n tear about 40%. over all a very good tires.

that too iam running them on steel rims for the last 1.5 years, and yes, 175 is the maximum safely possible on santro steel rims.

power steering gets a bit heavy with 175. but not very noticeable.

i wont comment on Turanza 165/65 R13 as i have not used them.

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Old 13th July 2009, 03:06   #499
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Congratulations on the proper upgrade.

By the way, the next time you go for refilling air in tyres, try 29 psi rather than normal 30. The ride should improve.
thanks tsk. yeah.. I will try 29 psi next time..

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where did you find that the 165/60/r13 are the wrong size?

Iam running gIII 175/60/r13 for the last 1.5 yrs, noisy, yes, but good grip and after 15000 km, very little wear n tear about 40%. over all a very good tires.

that too iam running them on steel rims for the last 1.5 years, and yes, 175 is the maximum safely possible on santro steel rims.

power steering gets a bit heavy with 175. but not very noticeable.

i wont comment on Turanza 165/65 R13 as i have not used them.

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the right upsize mentioned here on team-bhp and even on the bridgestone website is 165/65 R13 and then 175/60 R13. the latter should go with the alloys mostly. but 165/60 R13 is not mentioned as the right upsize on the bridgestone website also and even here. 175/60 R13 would be too wide for steel rims. am surprised you are using it safely.
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175/60 R13 would be too wide for steel rims. am surprised you are using it safely.
actually many members on T-Bhp have been running 175/60 R13 on steel rims and after recommendations on did i put them.

anyways mags are the next upgrade on my list so that should be better.

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Hi,

I read thru many pages of this thread and got lot of information. I need feedback on two fronts [ Related to Tyres]:-

1) I have Hyundai- Santro XO which is 2 Years 1 Month old [As on Date] and Drove little over 20,000 kms and almost 60% of it was in poor roads.Normally I drive in 45 - 60 Kms Speed and Max.Speed I tried is 80 kms in one or 2 occassions. I did all Free services properly in Authorised Hyundai showroom and It's my First car [ I was Driving Herohonda-Splendour before] and I do not have any experience with cars before ! Now Both the Front tyres are almost like Tubes [ With No treads in the inner side] and car is very much wobbling even in very slow speed . Now only I came to know from my friends who are experienced with cars that the tyres need to be Changed [ Inner to outer and Front to back and vice Versa]. Hyundai Service centre did not did any of the swaps and now the condition of My car tyres are " 1 Tyre is almost brand new and 2 tyres are Good and 2 tyres totally gone " Now, Hyundai service centre is advicing me to Replace the tyres [ To Get rid of the Wobbling] !.My Car is having MRF ZTVS tyre[Factory Fitted] and My question is:-

a. With all the above conditions, Tyre life of 20000 km is Reasonable ?
b. Do I need to tell during every service to swap the tyres between front and back OR Service centre people should know this by Default?

Above Questions are just to make sure I am atleast be careful going forward !

2) I am planning to buy Tubeless tyre . I am planning to get Michelin Tubeless tyres . Any latest info on the Models in Michelin [Tubeless and the app.cost involved ] . I am planning to replace all 4 tyres [Only tyres ]

Thanks for your help
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Get the Michelin XM1+ in 155/70 R13. If you want a wider footprint, then get the 165/65 R13. Cost is approx 2600 or so. a hundred bucks or so cheaper for 155/70 R13 and a little more for 165/65 R13.

If you trust the service centre guys and they do a good job, then you can get alignment, rotation and balancing done at the service centre itself. Otherwise, it always make sense to get it done professionally at a tyre shop where oyu can actually see the work being done.

Tyre life of 20,000 kms for MRF ZVTS is ridiculous. You should get close to 50-60 thousand kms at the very least.
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Get the Michelin XM1+ in 155/70 R13. If you want a wider footprint, then get the 165/65 R13. Cost is approx 2600 or so. a hundred bucks or so cheaper for 155/70 R13 and a little more for 165/65 R13.

Tyre life of 20,000 kms for MRF ZVTS is ridiculous. You should get close to 50-60 thousand kms at the very least.
Thanks a lot Nikhil !. I will go for the same !. Even Hyundai service centre people also suggested to go in for "Tyre Shop" only for better prices and Models !.

On MRF ZVTS, I am also confused. I assumed just because no Swap has been done between front & back , May be the tyre's "Tread" gone totally ! Also As I specified in my earlier post, I did in very poor roads many a times !


Thanks Again
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Thanks a lot Nikhil !. I will go for the same !. Even Hyundai service centre people also suggested to go in for "Tyre Shop" only for better prices and Models !.

On MRF ZVTS, I am also confused. I assumed just because no Swap has been done between front & back , May be the tyre's "Tread" gone totally ! Also As I specified in my earlier post, I did in very poor roads many a times !


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Velu, Nikhil is Doctor of Tyres so you need not worry further.
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Get the Michelin XM1+ in 155/70 R13.
Doctor Sahab, isn't it XM1? XM1+ is not available in R13 AFAIK.
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Guys I have a year old santro xing and i was wondering if the ride quality can improve if i get wider set of rubber on my car, I currently have 155s' on a 13" stock rim.
For instance, I run over a dug up part of the road, usually left unrepaired after laying a phone cable underneath the road,( I hear a loud thud, and the back part of the car tends to sway a little immediately after passing over the broken road, ) I'm looking for a damped rubbery sound in the cabin whenever i run over a pot hole or a bad stretch of a road. Can wider set of tires solve this?
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Velu, Nikhil is Doctor of Tyres so you need not worry further.

Doctor Sahab, isn't it XM1? XM1+ is not available in R13 AFAIK.
Sorry pal! Didnt see this post until now.

XM1+ is now available even in those sizes which werent available earlier. 155/70 R13, 155/65 R13, 165/65 R13, etc....

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Guys I have a year old santro xing and i was wondering if the ride quality can improve if i get wider set of rubber on my car, I currently have 155s' on a 13" stock rim.
For instance, I run over a dug up part of the road, usually left unrepaired after laying a phone cable underneath the road,( I hear a loud thud, and the back part of the car tends to sway a little immediately after passing over the broken road, ) I'm looking for a damped rubbery sound in the cabin whenever i run over a pot hole or a bad stretch of a road. Can wider set of tires solve this?
For ride quality to improve, you need to go in for a higher profile tyre, but this will not have the correct rolling circumference.

155/70 R13 is the best option for Santro if you want ride quality. You can go in for 165/65 R13(only on alloys. The OEM steel wheel is too narrow) but this will decrease your ride quality.
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Sorry pal! Didnt see this post until now.

XM1+ is now available even in those sizes which werent available earlier. 155/70 R13, 155/65 R13, 165/65 R13, etc....
No problem Nikhil. I also saw stock Alto size in XM1+. Great going.
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Finally, after reading this thread (and a few other threads) in minute detail, I had made up my mind to upgrade my Santro's aging tyres to Michelin XM1+. The question of 'what' was settled, and 'when' was answered last Friday when I totaled one of my tires by failing to notice a puncture. I don't like to run risks and having lost my spare tire that night, I had to buy the new set immediately (read next day). Here are the specs:

1. Hyundai Santro, 54,700 km run, Apirl 2005 model
2. Stock Bridgestone S322 running on stock rims
3. Changed to Michelin XM1+ in stock size (155/70/R13)- tubeless tires on steel rims
4. Dealer inspected my rims and declared that they were not bent, nor rusted. In short, rims were in perfect condition
5. Paid 10,400 for four tires, got a Benetton-Michelin co-branded kit as a gift item. This has a wallet, a key holder, a credit card holder and last but not the least, a sexy leather-strap watch.
6. Got lifetime free tire balancing commitment from the dealer.
7. Got alignment done from outside and now I'm indeed enjoying my new set of shoes for my car!

(Cross-posting in the Choosing the right set of tires for your car thread for ease-of-reference)
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Upgraded tyres for my Santro Xing today. I first wanted to upgrade to 175/60/R13s and asked the dealer (Tyre Empire, whitefield) if the stock steel rims (4J) would be suitable for the 175 sized tyres. He happily said yes, but I was cautious as the carbible site and this thread said that minimum 5J rims are required for the 175s. As I didn't want to spend for alloys now, I chose to settle with 165s.

Old stock tyres (Bridgestone 155/70/R13s, tube type) on stock rims have done 22,400 kms, the dealer took them for Rs.550 each. New tyres are Michelin XM1 165/65/R13s at Rs.2,650 each. Closed the deal for Rs.11,000 including balancing and alignment.

The old tyres were just half way through their life, but I decided to get rid of them as they were tube type and of late I started having some punctures when I was in a hurry and didnt have much time to change the spare. So, went for tubeless as it would give some peace of mind and enough lead time to plan for a spare wheel change in case of a puncture.
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Voyager ---- 165/65 R13 is too broad for the stock steel wheels. You need minimum of 4.5j. It's not recommended to run 165/65 R13 on 4j rims.

Do change to alloys immediately or at least get broader 13" rims.
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