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Old 21st April 2009, 08:00   #16
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I've never seen wheel alignment/balancing done on 2 wheeler tyres. Everyone simply fixes the tyre & verify it with their naked eye.

So does that mean that there is no need for wheel alignment/balancing on 2 wheelers ?
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Balancing is required only for two wheelers with alloy wheels on them. Wheel alignment is purely car related and has nothing to do with bikes.
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Old 22nd April 2009, 15:31   #18
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Balancing is required only for two wheelers with alloy wheels on them. Wheel alignment is purely car related and has nothing to do with bikes.
Why Balancing is not required for spoke wheels ?
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First of all, its a myth that wheel alignment/balancing is not required for 2 wheelers. That nobody chooses to do it is a different question. Mithun, read on:

A wheel alignment is an exercise that makes sure the wheels on a vehicle are perpendicular to the ground and parallel to the other wheel on the same axle. Incorrect alignment causes the car to drag to one side and improper tyre wheeler.

Now in a 2 wheeler, obviously there is no question of a parallel wheel or an axle. Moreover, most times the alignment gets corrected automatically when the forks are straightened at the service centre. But there could always be cases where the front wheel hits a bump at an abrupt angle and goes out of alignment.

A Wheel balancing is an exercise where a vehicles wheel-tyre combination is checked for abnormal weight balance. If one side is found to be heavy, it is resolved by placing a similar weight on the opposite side of the wheel.

While balancing is common place for steel and alloy wheels, it cannot be done on Steel Wheels as it is difficult to place weights on spokes. In any case a steel wheel by design is better balanced than steels or alloys.

I'm not sure, but I think in the US a system has been patented which successfully balances spoke wheels. It is done by placing weights on the spoke nipples (where the spokes integrate into the outer wheel)
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Have a question for Tyre experts:

I will be shortly going for a Wheel Rotation & Alignment,
should I do Wheel Balancing for Alloy wheels (it was bought a year back) ?
I used to do Wheel Balancing for steel rims earlier.

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Old 8th June 2009, 16:36   #21
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hey guys, i got my alloys installed some time back and since then i feel that my car has been drifting a bit towards left.my steering also has gone a bit hard and that's maybe because of fatter rubber.
i went to maruti service station but the guys told me they do balancing and alignment only for stock rims.i want to get my wheels balanced and alligned from a good place.
please suggest a good place to get it done in delhi.
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Have a question for Tyre experts:

I will be shortly going for a Wheel Rotation & Alignment,
should I do Wheel Balancing for Alloy wheels (it was bought a year back) ?
I used to do Wheel Balancing for steel rims earlier.
You definitely SHOULD do wheel balancing. See, it's not just dependant on the rims. The tyres also get worn out unevenly. Due to that, you need to do balancing what ever rims you are using.

And one year is too long a gap. You should get balancing/alignment done every 5-6k kms.

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hey guys, i got my alloys installed some time back and since then i feel that my car has been drifting a bit towards left.my steering also has gone a bit hard and that's maybe because of fatter rubber.
i went to maruti service station but the guys told me they do balancing and alignment only for stock rims.i want to get my wheels balanced and alligned from a good place.
please suggest a good place to get it done in delhi.
The steering becoming hard is normal if you have upsized your tyres. There is a thread about alignment in the NCR. Just go through this section and you will find it.
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Thanks Nikhil for the info!
Will visit your shop @ Richmond circle soon & get the needful done.

OT: Sometime back you had mentioned you'll be opening a new branch, is it ready?
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Then How do they fix the alignment issues??
Do hammers work?
Hi,

As everyone said in most of the vehicles the Camber and Caster is non-adjustable. Whereas, With minor modification Camber can be made adjustable ( with cam bolt and making hole bit bigger where it gets fitted) but Castor can not. If Castor has issue to very minute extent it can be corrected thru adjusting balancing rod but if it has big difference then chassis need work on.

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There are so many Wheel Alignment Threads that I am confused where to post this query.

I have replaced the Left Rear Wheel Bearing of Indigo XL Grand Dicor today.
Is it necessary to do the Rear Alignment?

The car has independent rear suspension.

I have replaced the Rear Tyres around 50kms ago and at that time the Alignment was verified and corrected.

I have one more query--
The Alignment Centres here in Solapur do only Toe Adjustment. No Camber Adjustment is done.
What to do?

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Old 9th March 2012, 11:01   #26
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I am a bit confused on what exactly are the corrections done / can be done after getting the current alignment report from a tire shop? How do they actually modify the offset readings to correct readings? Is there any mechanical settings done on any parts? Somewhere above I read about hammering! How true is this?

If the tire shop is not able to correct the castor and camber, why exactly are they charging for the so called 'wheel alignment'? If the tire shop is not able to correct the castor and camber, how will be able to correct it, the service center?
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I am a bit confused on what exactly are the corrections done / can be done after getting the current alignment report from a tire shop? How do they actually modify the offset readings to correct readings? Is there any mechanical settings done on any parts? Somewhere above I read about hammering! How true is this?

If the tire shop is not able to correct the castor and camber, why exactly are they charging for the so called 'wheel alignment'? If the tire shop is not able to correct the castor and camber, how will be able to correct it, the service center?
It is not possible to set right castor and camber in most cars because the manufacturer does not make it adjustable. However, some cars can have adjustable camber. I know for a fact that the old Lancer had front and rear toe and front and rear adjustable camber as well.

It depends from car to car. The Civic for example has front and rear adjustable toe but not adjustable camber.

The camber and castor is usually adjusted at the service centre. They normally dismantle the suspension components to correct it.

They are charging you because it still takes work and time to mount the car, measure the readings and set right the toe. Some alignment shops charge upwards of a 2000/ per car because they claim to set right camber as well.
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Thanks for the precise answer.

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It is not possible to set right castor and camber in most cars because the manufacturer does not make it adjustable.
I am wondering then how the castor and camber gets changed on running, if it is rigidly built (not made adjustable). Or is it that something gets bent when the miss-alignment occurs?

I do not know how exactly the castor and camber is made practical in the car. Does by stiffening and /or increasing the height of the suspension springs, we can increase the camber to some extend?

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The camber and castor is usually adjusted at the service centre. They normally dismantle the suspension components to correct it.
There is a general opinion on the forum that it is better to get wheel alignment and balancing done from dedicated shops for tires. Even if they can correct the toe, if they are not able to correct the castor and camber, what is the use with a report which tells me that I have a variation in castor and camber?

Might be I have to relate tire shops to the medical diagnostic laboratories where we check our blood and know the result and the service centers to hospitals where the correction can be made.
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I am wondering then how the castor and camber gets changed on running, if it is rigidly built (not made adjustable). Or is it that something gets bent when the miss-alignment occurs?
Castor and camber dont get mis-aligned so easily but if you hit a pothole hard or drive on rough roads extensively, wear and tear on the suspension parts can result in misalignment. A part could bent or just worn out!

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I do not know how exactly the castor and camber is made practical in the car. Does by stiffening and /or increasing the height of the suspension springs, we can increase the camber to some extend?
There is no such increase or decrease. You can either have negative camber or positive camber. Normally this is done by either using camber bolts or shims or filing a specific bolt in the suspension assembly. You can read up more on this on google. It's a little difficult to explain without pictures and I suck at MS Paint!


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There is a general opinion on the forum that it is better to get wheel alignment and balancing done from dedicated shops for tires. Even if they can correct the toe, if they are not able to correct the castor and camber, what is the use with a report which tells me that I have a variation in castor and camber?

Might be I have to relate tire shops to the medical diagnostic laboratories where we check our blood and know the result and the service centers to hospitals where the correction can be made.
Yes. It is generally better to get it done at tyre shops(DISCLAIMER: I'm a tyre dealer). I say this because tyre dealers mainly rely on two things:

Tyre sales
Wheel Alignment and Balancing.

These are the two main businesses they run. A car service centre handles many cars and many many different jobs. Engine oil change, electrical problems, suspension problems, etc...etc... It's the same reason you prefer going to a specialist than a general physician.

Your analogy is PERFECT actually!

Another thing is this: Once you get the camber or castor corrected, you dont need to keep getting it corrected. It will not change drastically like Toe. You need to get alignment done mainly for the toe because the Toe can change very easily. You get the alignment done at a reliable place and within 3 kms of leaving the place you could hit a pothole and change the alignment again. On the other hand, you could drive 10,000 kms and still have a suspension which is aligned within the manufacturer specs!
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I got an SMS from MyTvs that there is offer package for Rs.250 + tax, in that they offer free 'Full car wash', vaccum cleaning and wheel alignment, engine oil and all fluid change , if any (only labor free) and general checkup for two days 12, 13th April, Since i had changed the struts a week back, i thought to opt for this package, and fixed an appointment on 11/4/14, so i went on 12/4/14 morning about 9.10 AM, i think i am second in the queue. So after normal Job sheet entry of mileage, dents etc, and i have been told that it will ready in 3 hours.

I opted only for wheel alignment and Full car wash. Since they did not agree to bring my own oil and filter (i mostly prefer buying the spares myself). So I disagreed to oil change. i called SA at around 12.30 noon, he said alignment had been done and only car wash is pending. so i went about 2.30, still the car was waiting for wash, Since it was offer, i felt there may be more vehicles, so i thought delay is not an issue. That's not my complaint. At about 3 pm, i was informed , that the car is ready, The SA said it is Rs.290 inclusive of tax, i paid. But i have not got the bill, they said the printer is not functioning. And i asked for wheel alignment report which uses different printer, they say computer is problem with printer, and the SA noted my email in Job sheet and confirmed me that he will email it to me same day (Saturday), But i feel they have not done any wheel alignment. I called today (Sunday 13-4-14), SA said still computer is malfunctioning, so i am confident something is bad there.

PS: Last time too i had same experience, i did not get bill, i said i will be mailed through post the next day. that time i changed coolant oil 2 Litres. charged about Rs.450 0r so, but i have not received the bill that time. (that's also an special offer)

From this i feel , it is scam that they do not offer invoice while they offer any special package offer to attract customers, and may be , they will do the needful only if they had been asked to change oil or any other fluid, so they have profit on it. in my case they do not have profit, since it is only full water wash and wheel alignment. So i feel they cheated by not aligning the wheels, ans also, finally, what does the Full car wash mean? they had not washed under chassis,but only washed exterior and vaccumed interior, but i did not make fuss about car wash, since its not my priority, my priority was wheel alignment. Am i been cheated? whats your opinion?

But i feel, i shall wait till Monday, i shall visit them with pen drive and ask them to copy the invoice. Let me see the outcome. I would have done very good full car wash including under chassis wash for Rs.350 from local water service station.

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