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Old 26th July 2015, 22:48   #76
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Srini, thanks a lot for the detailed information. Really appreciate it.
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I'm currently running this configuration in my old Alto.
What is the stock rim/tyre size on the old Alto?
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The fronts will not rub very much, but big dips or potholes taken at speed will cause some rubbing, but it's not usually serious.
You're more likely to "catch" the tread-blocks of the tire on the inner lip of the front bumper at certain steering angles.
That's actually scary. I'd try to avoid such a configuration, more so because my usual routes are fully pothole ridden.
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That said, it really, really depends on the offset of the rims you get, most aftermarket rims have too much offset & although they give the car a good stance, they'll cause rubbing.
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When getting your rims, measure the offset of the stock vs the aftermarket rims & choose rims that have the smallest difference.
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Just choose your offset correctly & you should be good - even with 175s.
So is it inevitable that the tyres jut out of the wheel arches in case I go ahead with 175 section tyres on 5.5Js, even if I am able to lay hands on rims with minimum offset difference vis-a-vis the stock ones?

In case the above is true, would it be better to go in for 165/60 tyres (provided I am able to find a dealer who can source them) on 13x5.5J alloys?
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Old 29th July 2015, 15:24   #77
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What is the stock rim/tyre size on the old Alto ?
The stock tire size on the Alto Vx was 145/80-R12 ("PERFECT" Tyre Upsize for Alto Vxi).

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So is it inevitable that the tyres jut out of the wheel arches in case I go ahead with 175 section tyres on 5.5Js, even if I am able to lay hands on rims with minimum offset difference vis-a-vis the stock ones ?
I'm not sure if "rubbing" is inevitable with 175s as it depends on the rim's offset.
For example, in my old Alto, with 175/60-R13s on 5.5J rims, there's ~ 2" clearance between the inner edge of the tire & the suspension.

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In case the above is true, would it be better to go in for 165/60 tyres on 13x5.5J alloys ?
I used to run 165/65-R13s initially, I had rubbing even with those ("PERFECT" Tyre Upsize for Alto Vxi) !
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I'm not sure if "rubbing" is inevitable with 175s as it depends on the rim's offset.
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I used to run 165/65-R13s initially, I had rubbing even with those ("PERFECT" Tyre Upsize for Alto Vxi) !
After ruling out the 175/60 configuration for fear of rubbing and sticking out, I checked with some tyre shops here in Chennai for 165/60s and noone seems to have that size in stock. Even if they do, they are the unidirectional ones from Bridgestone, which, according to a well-informed dealer, are noisy.

I am therefore holding my decision to upgrade tyres for now. The current S322s are good enough for city runs, and I think I'll stick with them for some more time.
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but on extreme jumps the rear tyres keep scraping the fenders. so i got the autorunner installed in the back springs.
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Now, the point is, if it scrapes for you using 155/65, it surely will for 175/60 tires since it is taller
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I can confirm that a 175 will rub in the back without a spacer.
My Friend has a Alto K10. This week he has upgraded from the stock size tyres (155/65 R13) and steel rims to Yokohama Earth1 tyres (175/60 R 13)
and HRS 13 alloys.

He is facing the same issue that you guys were pointing to i.e. the rear tyres are rubbing while driving on minor undulations in the road.

Could you please help him on how to source the spacer in Kolkata (Altocumulus can help here). He is following the thread, and your reply would really help him.

Anyone is requested to throw some light on the solution.
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My Friend has a Alto K10 & has upgraded from 155/65R13 and steel rims to 175/60R13 & HRS-13” alloys.
The rear tyres are rubbing while driving on minor undulations in the road.
Could you please help him on how to source the spacer in Kolkata (Altocumulus can help here).
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Anyone is requested to throw some light on the solution.
The solutions to your friend's quandary are discussed at length in this thread (Coil Spring Adjusters : VFM Fix for the Honda Civic's (lousy) soft rear suspension?).
In any case, putting down my experience with a couple of products that are supposed to solve the issue.

The 1st product I tried was the "coil spring adjuster" from Auto-Runner.
I got mine from the Team-Bhp Classifieds as the seller had advertised the product there at that time.
A set costed around 4.3K & I used the Auto-Runner adjusters for about 2 years.
In my Alto's case, these adjusters were too big, the adjusters meant for the rear were simply too tall to fit inside the coils & I had to use the ones meant for the front at the rear.
Since they're held in place purely by friction, on really large bumps, the springs compressed so much that at least one end of the adjuster would "pop" out from in-between the coils !
Over the 2 year period I used these, they slipped out on a handful of occasions.

I then switched to the Roger-Ab product.
The Roger-Ab spacers are made of a slightly softer material & are not as tall as the Auto-Runner adjusters, hence much easier to get in-between the coils.
With these spacers, I could use them as intended at the front & at the rear.
Most importantly, they have holes through which you can zip-tie the spacer firmly to the spring coils.
The Roger-Abs spacers were ordered online from their web-site.
They cost around 6K for a set.

Please note however that with the Roger-Ab spacer, you still will have some rubbing under full load ( 5 adults + luggage ) or over very large pot-holes & bumps at speed.
This is because the spacers are relatively softer when compared to the Auto-Runner adjusters & are also not as tall.
On the other hand, the adjusters from Auto-Runner will make the rear of the car stiff & skittish, particularly when there's only one person in the car.
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Hi, The spacer part your friend requires is a maruti part. i do not have the part number for it but you could ask him to check at his A.S.S for the rear suspension Rubber spacer. hope this helps.

ps: if rubbing persists after this then the only option is to slightly roll the rear fender lip.




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My Friend has a Alto K10. This week he has upgraded from the stock size tyres (155/65 R13) and steel rims to Yokohama Earth1 tyres (175/60 R 13)
and HRS 13 alloys.

He is facing the same issue that you guys were pointing to i.e. the rear tyres are rubbing while driving on minor undulations in the road.

Could you please help him on how to source the spacer in Kolkata (Altocumulus can help here). He is following the thread, and your reply would really help him.

Anyone is requested to throw some light on the solution.
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Got this for my alto. Yokohama Earth 1 165/60/R13 and Plati R13 alloys.
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Got this for my alto. Yokohama Earth 1 165/60/R13 and Plati R13 alloys.
Hi, how are these tyres doing now? I too have a Altok10 (old model) and looking at changing the tyres. But I will stick with the stock size (155/65 R13). The price for the yokos are lesser than the bridgestones that came stock with the car. Would you recommend the yokos over the bridgestones?

The bridgestones did great except for frequent punctures.
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The Yokos are excellent. Superb grip and driving is a pleasure. Though I should have stuck to the stock tyre size. These ones scrape the inside of the wheel arch at rear. Had to install new bushes. Still it scrapes under heavy load on speed beakers. Overall I would recommend the Yokos Earth 1.
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Hi All. I am planning to replace my stock Bridgestones S322 with either Yokohama Earth-1 or Falken Sincera SN835 in same stock size 155/65R13. Both of them are available at Rs13000 for set of 4 including wheel balancing and alignment. I wanted to upgrade to 175/60R13 for better ride and handling but I fear of fender scraping.

The stock Bridgestones have clocked 52,000kms in 2.5years and still have good thread life for another 10,000 kms but two of the tyres have side wall bulge due to accidentally hitting a pot hole at 50kph. I understand that Yokohama Earth-1's are highly recommended but I am apprehensive about bad roads and potholes appearing out of nowhere in Chennai city. I am in a dilemma to choose between the two and hope you guys can help me out.

According to the dealer,
  • Falken has two years unconditional warranty against any damage. Has good life and grip.
  • Yoko's are slightly superior and offer better noise control and better ride.

The stock Bridgestone S322 at 50000kms. They offer decent grip and long thread life of 60,000kms.
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I understand that Yokohama Earth-1's are highly recommended but I am apprehensive about bad roads and potholes appearing out of nowhere in Chennai city. I am in a dilemma to choose between the two and hope you guys can help me out.
I have been using the Earth 1s on my WagonR for 1 year and 15k+ kms. The roads in Hyderabad are very bad and I don't slow down much even on such roads. Broken roads, big sharp potholes, small stretches of no road with sharp stones strewn around and well laid 4-lane highways, these tyres have been through all these without complain. On a few occasions, I have crashed into potholes at speed or jumped speed breakers. So far, the tyres are holding good.

I tend to maintain 1-2 psi less than the OE recommended 33 psi, for a slightly better ride quality. I still haven't faced any puncture, touchwood. Note that the thread pattern of these tyres attract a lot of small pebbles (lodged in the thread) which are thrown into the wheel well once in while or make some sound while going a road.
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I have been using the Earth 1s on my WagonR for 1 year and 15k+ kms.
Hi ashis89. Thanks. That's good to hear about the Yokohama Earth 1. Previously what tyres were on your WagonR? How do you compare the road noise with the Earth-1s?
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Hi ashis89. Thanks. That's good to hear about the Yokohama Earth 1. Previously what tyres were on your WagonR? How do you compare the road noise with the Earth-1s?
I moved from Apollo Amazer 3G in 155/65 R14 size to Earth 1s in 165/65 R14 size. The road noise is much lower than the old Apollos but I feel it could be lower.
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In the meantime I wanted to know the other brands available for the stock size 155/65R13 and so I visited one of the biggest tyre shop in Chennai, BM LAL Bros. The seller rated Continental CC5 and Michelin XM2 above Yokohama Earth-1. According to him the CC5 performs better than Earth-1 in terms of road noise, cornering grip and in wet roads. He rated them equal in durability and side wall strength. In terms of sidewall strength, he rated the Bridgestone S322 (OEM in Alto K10) on top of Conti,Yoko and MRF. I will get the tyres tomorrow and will choose between Yoko and Conti.
  • MRF ZLX Rs2600
  • Goodyear Duraplus Rs3000
  • Yokohama Earth-1 Rs3200
  • Continental CC5 Rs3250
  • Bridgestone B290 Rs3250
  • Michelin XM2 Rs3550

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